#226 The Great Open Source Debate | FUTO

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• When software development meets activism… 🙄 Whatever floats your boat I guess, but this whole "oh they've given all this valuable work for free to big tech" completely ignores the agency these people always had. A key GPG dev going hungry was likely not on anyone's radar until he spoke up – and because he was crucial he got instant monetary relief.

  That's the capitalist free market at work for him, and it would have been so much earlier on as well. That he didn't speak up sooner was 100 percent on him, and honestly kinda dumb… take responsibility people, don't blame "a system" and do "activism". Simply take action, look out for your own interest, and charge your money's worth!

  You're well on your way doing that though, lovely how competition works. And yes, Big Tech is woefully under-regulated and badly needs individual-empowering competition, I am with you on that. I am with you on that because free market capitalism actually dies under situations of monopolistic dominance which we currently have, which is the worst possible outcome. So yes, I support your mission, but not your "boo bad system" activism cringe.

  Try to address both sides instead – empower projects to charge what the other side is willing to pay for, and raise money from those with deep-enough pockets to support more (rather than less) competition. And that's not typically your unions, activist groups, or FOSS devs, but other industries that have had enough of Big Tech shenanigans by now.

  Kinda funny how I both fervently support your mission and fervently oppose your messaging about it… I'd start the same initiative and brand it under "competitive free market rocks, b*tches"… So maybe none of our diametrically opposed messagings should be brought out in public relations, huh? 😅

  P.S.: Thanks for defending the important work of the OSI, Brodie!

  P.P.S.: Good call on not limiting the fields of endeavour from a content perspective though!

• 1:33:58 please somebody recommend him Krita

• On the topic of ElasticSearch or Redis: if you put something like that under a restrictive license, then I won't use it in my open source project due to licensing incompatibilities and I won't be using it in my commercial work either because it is a huge liability.

  How do I even mix 2 ""source first" licensed projects that have slightly different terms and conditions?

  If a "source first" project has very nebulous terms, it's actually worse than proprietary software.

  Having a rug pull license after the Unity debacle is not a wise strategy.

  I understand the sentiment, but they are completely going about it the wrong way.

  I fork their video app, I get access to the source code, but I can't really do anything with it due to the license, to me this is as libre as the Unreal engine.

  Yes if I fork their million dollar project then I get a million dollars worth of work the same way they are getting hundreds of billions of dollars worth of work from the Linux kernel and all the other projects they are "freeloading" off of.

  I think it would be wiser for them to do open core or have proprietary apps that they sell and open source the libraries that they build to support their apps.

• Love this guy. Unfortunate that so many people have to make childish joke about what seems to me an important topic focusing on developers putting food on their table. I didn't know what "futa" is, and am sorry I finally Googled it after seeing it referenced every time Futo comes up. I think it says more about you than them if you think they need to change their name.

• Also I agree, futo keyboard and voice input it’s well worth the license

• Would be wild if futo makes a Futo OS distro. Though it would be more likely they’d support like Debian or arch while focusing more on the software side of things

• Change the name of the organization please, FUTO sounds stupid and invites stupid jokes.

• Affinity is a great alternative for Photoshop….but it has no Linux version and its closed source. GIMP and Affinity/Photoshop are night and day

• As to the beer ware licence: The licence is by a Danish FreeBSD developer: PHK (Poul Henning Kamp). I don't know how many pieces of code he has under that license, but the code people tend to talk about in this context tends to be an implementation of the md5 hashing algorithm. Plenty of companies used (uses?) that code. Cisco is probably the most noteable.

• An easy solution to the issue with the "ooen source community" terminology is to just replace it with "open source space". It's true, it's not a community, but it is a shared space so it's even more accurate than "community"

• I completely agree that OSI has dropped the ball and share concerns that it might have been intentionally because they're funded by big corporations.
  The very definitions of Open Source is misleading to someone that hasn't dived into the nitty gritty and doesn't have deep technological knowledge.

  Additionally, it's clear that the current model is unsustainable and only helps the corporations, yet the OSI hasn't done anything at all to remedy that over the decades.

  Also, I grow tired of the futa jokes, specifically as a futa enjoyed. Besides, if we're making dirty jokes, wanna talk about GIMP?

• michael from futa

• I think it should be noted that capitalism ≠ free market. There are several free market socialist systems like mutualism, syndicalism, and distributionism. The difference is that you can't buy and sell capital ownership from the direct stakeholders like workers or consumers.

• 1:32:40 Thunderbird is a good FOSS calendar app IMO. Unless you meant mobile app.

• What i'd love to see from them is a license constructor.
  If I had the legal knowledge i'd make one of those myself since its desperately needed.
  Want to know how most open source projects pick a license? They usually pick something they are vaguely familiar with, may or may not read it especially if its a single dev and then they slap it on. Only to realize it has a clause they don't actually agree with and they get screwed.

  Creative Commons comes closest with how it can be done right, but thats not that suitable for code.
  If you had a license constructor where the developer can select their intent and it spits out a customized license for that project it would help out a lot of people.
  Then they can include a Non Commercial options such as "This software is free to use at X simultaneous installations, if you exceed this number you must purchase a commercial license". Lets say the developer sets that at 25, now all small businesses are spared and can use it freely, large corporations now have to pay a license fee.

  Basically get all the stuff open source licenses typically have and make it optional, then make a html wizard that generates it and lets you copy the final license text once done. FUTO can easily afford a lawyer to look over the end results to make sure anything generated by the wizard is legally sound.

• There is the Futa jokes…
  Then for those who played GTA V, there is that crappy little AE86 imitation car named FUTO. 😀

• Every place has different laws, but in general is this the kind of organization that I can donate into for tax reasons?

• insert obligatory 'FUTA' joke

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