I DON'T like my web browsing options in 2024…

44 thoughts on “I DON'T like my web browsing options in 2024…”

• I’ve been pretty happy with Vivaldi for a couple of years now. Since you’re considering funding and things like the company making the browser, it’s probably worth considering some of the people involved as well. I don’t use Brave and never will because of the issues with the CEO past behaviour around the lgbtq+ community

• I'm happy with Edge. Even on Linux.

• I love the new features Workspace on Vivaldi game changer for organizing my tabs, now can't go back to Firefox or chrome

• I'm not sure why "speed of development" is so important here. It's a web browser; what they do is basically well-understood by now. Yeah, it's annoying when major bugs are left unfixed for years, but I'd rather the slow development of Firefox than the privacy invasions of post-2016 Opera and anti-adblocker practices coming soon to Chrome. I also don't see that it's a problem if something is a small OSS project (e.g. LibreWolf, or more recently Floorp) that eventually disappears. Even when those projects shut down or are abandoned, they leave a mark on scene, and their good ideas are often picked up by other projects that follow.

• No browser is perfectly secure. No browser is bug-free.

  I use Chrome in Linux Mint. It has all the features I care about, and I don't need more features.

  Chrome is no buggier than any other browser.

  Nothing else matters to me.

• I switched to Vivaldi about a year ago. I love it!! I don't use all the features, but the tiling of tabs is really useful at times. Good to hear that I am on the right track!

• I use Brave on desktop and mobile synced and with cripto crap turn off, is fast and and i think is the best so far. Firefox needs to improve allot to make me switch. And Vivaldi is ok but as too many settings and i get confused what does what, is a nightmare.

• "Let's jump into it"? I thought we already had

• Going back to the old days we had Explorer and Netscape. FF is essentially Netscape continued. The fact that it gets its funding through google is less concerning than Chromium is Google. It's kind of hard to get away from since Google pretty much owns internet marketing.

  It's kinda like a lot of Bender funding comes from Autodesk and it's other competitors. More recently it's getting more funding from other sources but still its competitors have been funding it for a long time.

  As for Vivaldi, I tried it early on and it wasn't as good as FF at the time and being closed source I haven't really followed it.

  I really wish we had more independent open source competition, unfortunately most are just building on chrome or aren't viable.

  Actually I was kind of shocked the other day to notice Lynx is still available and I'm tempted to try it. Being text based it could be the best ad blocker. 😄

• Firefox because it's preinstalled and it works for me. I just don't' care much anymore.

• yo, you will learn nothing useful in this video librefox is the privacy option 1, avoid brave

• I see a video of anti mozilla manifest i will dislike it, i don't want chromium to have more monopoly that it already has … if you want a free and open web people need to start switching to mozilla and not the other way around. Not to mention that manifest v3 is pure cancer on chromium browser, for privacy and drm-ed web.

• Hi Blaine – thanks for checking us out! 😃

• This is stupid. Get back on Firefox, and stop whining.

• I feel like there's a lot of contradictions in your video here. Take my post as fair criticism and not as hate.

  1. You mentioned how Firefox makes money and it somehow baffles me, that you used it since 2006 and are only now surprised that the biggest contributor is Google. This has been the Status quo for over one and a half decade in Firefox! But contrary to all the other Browsers (except LibreWolf), Firefox (Well Mozilla) has their financials open. You looked into those and you were repelled by how it turned out. But the financials of Vivaldi are closed, they don't share near as much transparency and are like "trust me bro". This made me feel, like you don't know about Vivaldis financials and then it's okay, because surely they are okay.
  2. Taking Money from Google isn't necessarily a bad thing. Googles Money helped keeping Firefox alive and helped, giving us users choice. I know that sounds weird but it is the simple truth. Apple also receives a huge amount from Google to use Google and Safari and you can see that Apple doesn't bend to Google. Same can be said to Firefox. Firefox just has to ship with Google as a default search engine but you can always change it, wich leads me to my last point…
  3. You mentioned that some Features of certain Browsers (I think it was Brave), that are useless or intrusive. But this statement got switched in your Vivaldi part, where you said you can just turn it off and don't use it. Well that goes for all other Browsers as well, why did you make a fuss about it in the first place?
  4. You said that Firefox is "solely owned and funded by the Mozilla Corporation or Foundation.." wich gives the undertone, as if it was a bad thing "because big Tech Company". But the Browser is completely Open Source and FOSS, Mozilla has most of their Financials Open to the Public and all those things can't be said for Vivaldi, wich you made such a strong argument about. But Vivaldi is also a Company and what do Companies need to survive? Money. They need to make money, there's no other way around it. They might be not as greedy as Google but they need to make money as well…

  I'm not saying don't use Vivaldi or defending Firefox to my teeth. What I wanted to point out are, what I felt like, are some strong contradictions in this video. As I said, take this as criticism. My Post isn't about the Browsers but about your arguments and how you used them.

• Every once in a while I get annoyed with Firefox and consider switching. I've tried everything you've mentioned and more. In the end though the trade offs never feel worth it to me.

  Maybe one of these days Firefox will fall off into such obscurity that even I'll have to give up on it, but for now any alternative I'd seriously consider has even less market share than Firefox does, so that would be a dumb thing to leave over.

  I'm not entirely happy about it, but for the foreseeable future I'm stuck with Firefox, and really I'm not entirely unhappy with that either.

• I've been using Arc for the past month and I like it.

• Brave built in ad blocking is so good I’ve forgotten what YouTube ads look like. Even on iOS Brave natively blocks YouTube ads. Add uBlock Origin to the desktop browser and it is impenetrable.

• Kind of weird that you don't know much about Brave when you made this video even though it's the best chromium based browser when it comes to security and privacy (it's not lacking performance either). It's by no means perfect but here are a few things that bring it to the top, imo:

  Their entire platform is open source, unlike what you stated. Which makes it possible to ignore the crypto bs.

  They're going to be pushing back against Manifest V3 and their adblock engine is the best available. There is even some work to incorporate the adblock engine into Vanadium – the hardened browser and system webview of the GrapheneOS project.

  Their anti-fingerprint implementation is worlds ahead of any hardened Firefox you can achieve.

  They make the right choice of not modifying the UI too much to make it easy to switch from Chrome.

  I think it's just lazy to skim over Brave if you're going to make such a video.

• Playing with Floorp this week. Seem decent. Mozilla based.

• My biggest problem is Chromium. Just because its open source doesn't mean its clean and at the end of the day it is still owned by and primarily developed by Google. I simply dont trust Google to have the best interests of the internet in mind when making anything. Even their contribution to Firefox, which is still my main web browser sadly. Exists only so Google cannot be a monopoly in the Web Browser space, and I think both them and Mozilla know exactly why Google exists and what they are doing. In fact ill take it a step further and bet that people in Mozilla dont even use Firefox. We need a Web Browser from people who simply want a Free Open Web and not companies like Google. Sadly Mozilla clearly doesnt see that as their objective anymore. I dont have the knowledge or skill myself to audit Chromiums code, so I dont see why I should use it, also I dont want Chromium to have complete dominance over the web, so if being part of that 3% firefox usage stops that from happening I'll stick to it.

• In my case, there is no choice but FireFox. I need to use Android, and after a lot of testing, I have found that ALL Android browsers other than FireFox and Samsung Browser have terrible support for reading mode, which is, in my opinion, essential for reading on a mobile device. And most mobile web sites have terrible, terrible UI design, like small fonts, low contrast text, and lots of adverts. The only way to alleviate those problems is using uBlock Origin and Stylus, which are only available in FireFox on Android, as far as I know. Since I use Android FireFox, using it on the desktop is a logical choice, and even without that, I use Linux and FireFox works better under Linux. For example, Chrome does not have options to adjust mouse wheel or two-finger swiping speed but FireFox has.

• I've been using Vivaldi for at least 6 years now (based on the date of my Vivaldi account registration email), and loved it all the way.
  One thing you could've mentioned was that a good chunk of the Vivaldi team used to work on Opera back when it was Opera Presto, before it was sold and switched to Chromium etc.
  That's why Vivaldi has the same "swiss army knife" internet suite feel to it like noughties Opera had. And nobody does mouse gestures better than these Norwegians, I tell ya.
  Been loving the workspaces combined with tab stacking features. You can have hundreds, if not thousands of tabs organized. I currently have 530. Most are of course unloaded but I'm "only" using 2½ GB currently.
  Vivaldi also has powerful features. You can create command chains, sort of batch or macro like scripts that you can then assign either mouse gestures or keyboard shortcuts to, or alternatively run using the Quick Commands (F2 or CTRL+E)shortcut that opens a Powertoys Run like input box, where you can do basic math, give browser commands, open notes, extensions bookmarks etc.
  I just love how customizable and powerful it is.
  Only thing that I could think of that might improve it was a better download manager.

• Firefox >> *
  Chromium based is not the way to go, you are just creating a new IE issue.

• Using Firefox, to support the usage of Gecko is vital for the health of the internet. Otherwise we might hand over the defining of web standards over to Google, who develops the blink engine (that powers pretty much everything but Firefox).

  Yours sincerely
  Firefox user since Firebird 0.8 (previous name for Firefox)

• Try the newest midori, it's gecko based and chrome-extensions work as well.

• Use both Brave & Vivaldi, Brave is more secure & can be hardened.
  Firefox is still my daily driver & can be hardened as well to become more secure.
  Surprised that you have not heard of Waterfox & Pale Moon both niche versions of FF but with more security as default.
  As other videos have pointed out Google funds Firefox to prevent criticism & potential regulatory action if it became the only browser given Chrome's dominance due to people just sticking with the standard installation on many devices being Chrome. Even MS gave up developing Edge & switched to the Chromium engine. Apple also gave up on Safari for Windows.

• the biggest problem I've had with vivaldi is that historically it's just not been very stable for me. there's always something that causes the browser to hard crash and I find that makes it less useful than firefox, which I'm sticking with.
  there is a new browser on the market called floorp which has some of the "vivaldi-centric" features in a sleeker package that retains the firefox sync and compatibility

• I see you are using OneNote, i guess as a web app. I do that using chrome but I think it could work better. What browser do you use for that?

• Say no to manifest v3, say no to chromium

• Firefox is like the Democratic party. It has some issues, but what are you going to do, vote for Google or Microsoft? I'm just using Firefox w/ Sandboxie on my desktop. On my phone, I use Firefox and Brave, with Brave mainly being used to isolate Facebook. And products just shoveling out new features is part of the problem with software. I'm okay with change, as long as it is change for the better. How often does change for the better happen these days, honestly? Not very often. It's seems more like teams of programmers just trying to look busy, rather than something that actually benefits users.

• Firefox, primarily. Brave as backup – because sometimes I'll encounter a site that just has better functionality under chromium and I refuse to use Chrome itself. It's actually somewhat alarming that there's so little competition with the core web browser engine. We need Fx to continue because a chromium only future has all sorts of not great implications.

  I worry that Firefox will hit a patch where development will stagnate and it'll start losing site functionality, but until then it works and with the right setup privacy confidence is high (at least as high as it can be with any browser). Dreading someone telling me that Containers are leaky.

• I am all for people using Firefox as a statement! It has its own browser engine, which is open source. A so by developing it, it will stay as an available alternative to chromium based browsers. Meanwhile… I will stay on Vivaldi, because it is just a better browser. 🙂

• I'll continue to use Firefox and whenever I come across a site that doesn't work with Firefox I just don't bother with that website. We really need to make sure that Chrome (and it's derivatives) don't become the only choice we have. That would suck and be like only having IE. Look how that worked out for Microsoft.
  I should put in an edit. The first thing I do when I refresh my OS and start up Firefox for the first time again is switch the default search engine away from Google. Why do people still just use Google for search? Crazy

• I'm using chromium because firefox is not useful and chrome do not let me avoid ads… vivaldi comes with too much buttons.

• Brave is just as shady as Opera or more. Brave was caught injecting their own affiliate links whem users shop online with Brave. I can never trust them again after that stunt.

• I use ungoogled chromium, it's pretty nice.

• Brave is my go-to browser these days. I turned off the crypto crap in my settings. I couldn't get into using Vivaldi and I tried out Arc for a little bit. I've also tried out Orion which is a Webkit browser like Safari. What's cool about Orion is being able to install both FireFox and Chrome extensions to it. It's only on macOS right now and in beta. It's supposed to be more private than Brave so they claim. I'd use it more often but it is a little unstable since it is in beta.

• The problem is the web itself. Or rather, what it's become.
  The web was meant to be nothing but markup. Not an all-purpose platform for web "apps." Browsers have effectively become a second operating system, which is dumb.
  If you need to do something more complicated than basic HTML, you should instead make a native PC app. If browsers didn't have to support all this bloated nonsense, like Javascript and it's zillions of stupid frameworks, then making a web browser would take a lot less manpower. And we wouldn't be in this situation.

  I miss the old internet.

• Inspired by your video, I'll try to use Vivaldi now as my Chromium replacement. However, for my main web browsing experience, I'll stay committed to Firefox, it's fully open source and gives me just the right features. Besides, I found myself using Chromium less and less recently since I found out about Firefox Profiles and only ever need it for those 3 websites that don't support Firefox at all.

• I'm using Vivaldi now, and have been for the past few years.

  For me the killer feature in Vivaldi is the tab management. It goes beyond tab grouping to give you stacked tabs, which I find a lot more helpful. I haven't seen any other browser do that. Then you add to that the email, RSS, and calendar clients. And that's before you even get to the quick commands and command chains.

  I do think all the settings can be confusing for some users. It's a bit more browser than some people need. But the features never get in the way. You can ignore them at your leisure.

• for me Floorp is best option at the moment

• I've been enthusiastically following InfinitelyGalactic. Your insights into open-source software are fantastic! Personally, I am having a great experience using the Vivaldi Browser.

• Modern Mozilla does not really care about the web

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