The Wayland Protocol To End All Wayland Protocols

29 thoughts on “The Wayland Protocol To End All Wayland Protocols”

• Wayland seems like a typical case of "design by committee"

  EDIT: haha you said exactly the same thing at the end of the video!

• Interesting discussion.

  If only there were a stable set of protocols that has been around for four decades or so…

  My opinion about Wayland remains the same: it's the solution to a problem that never existed.

• Brodie learn to tell a story. Read the book science needs a narrative. Don't say too much of sundray facts. Tell a storym

• This Sebastian person looks like he's actively trying to sabotage wayland as a whole by trashing the discussion with bad faith arguments and hostility

• Thank you Matthias for working towards my dream of having Bad Apple play in my taskbar. 🫡🥲

• Linux is such a mess, lol

• The concerns are somewhat warrented and considering how annoying per-window decorating is in Xorg its slightly understandable its so controversial. However, what stops xdg-desktop-icon from supporting per window icon entries? What stops app stores from requesting all relevant icons before shipping? Why would it not be a good idea to let windows override their own window icons? And can we please have unique sub-window names so we can theme and manage window icons at the window manager level? because that was attrocious on Xorg

• Wayland devs trying to render a picture (IMPOSSIBLE)

• At this point Wayland is just a debate club that comes with a display protocol

• I'm just thankful being a user instead of being in development and getting caught in weeds of small feature developments. Designing features by committee is incredibly problematic, and means your feature, developed over a few days, will take 3 years of arguments before it can ship.

• Solution stop using Wayland on plasma! One thing that Lots of Linux devs make problems! Leave crap alone that isn't broken! Xorg simply works in kde !!!!!!!!

• Just to note … I bet you can guess what big evil source-withholding conglomerate Sebastian Wick is associated, and which you-aren't-allowed-to-have-choices desktop environment. This is my shocked face. 😐

• Why LibrePCB has multiple icons (at least based on some experience with kicad) is that there are effectively three different programs at work. There's a schematic view where you design the way the circuit is connected electrically. This is the engineer's view of how the thing works. Then there's the PCB view where you arrange the parts on a board. You decide how big, what shape, if there's any cutouts or test pads, how many layers of copper, etc. With it you draw the traces in the copper and make connections between the layers where necessary. Finally there's a 3D board view if the dimensions of the parts are known. This is useful for manufacturing actual products because it's actually a 3D model file that can be exported to CAD software after you make final choices to make sure you got what you intended to get.

  They're almost separate programs. They might be runnable as separate programs actually, in which case the hidden .desktop entry (or a non-hidden one) would suffice. But also it might be nice to be able to change the icon—say your mail app having the ability to add the number of unread emails in your inboxes. Do you need it to do that? Do you want it to do that? Maybe. If you can fetch your own icon and decorate it with an unread count, that'd be cool for those users.

  How necessary it is, I don't know. But one of the reasons I despise Gnome with a burning passion is that Gnome has decided for you what you need (and what you're allowed to have.) And of course that this extends to accessibility features where they not only tell you how to be disabled, they laugh at your disability and mock you for having one. Ask me how I know—and yes this was post-code-of-conduct.

  If Wayland goes the same way, the doofus trying to resist Wayland at all costs is right, because some dipshit on high telling you how you're allowed to use your computer is cancerous to open source, on its face.

• I don't see any reason to use Wayland right now. To me, it seems like it doesn't have anything that X11 doesn't, and it's missing features that X11 has. Every window opens in the center of the screen, for example, because they don't have a way to put themselves where they were when they were closed.

• This is very funny.

• Gimp uses this feature. The currently active image is shown in the title bar. Similarly it would be nice to have the favicon of a website showing in the titlebar.

• If you even remotely understand what google has done with tracking images and icons you understand why this becomes so controversial.

• I can't believe I watched this whole thing 😅. What a crazy conversation. Thanks for another great video. 🙂

• I agree that the icon shouldn't be on disk. It makes no sense to write files to get icons.

• Linux community tries to implement setting a window icon without starting a fight (impossible)

• "May I suggest something that would better the user and developer experience" "Oh is this another one of those /controversial/ protocols!"

• Wayland Drama is so entertaining ^^

• This sounds like a legitimate debate. Wayland should be kept as clean as possible so as not to turn into X11 with feature creep.

• Since Firefox moved to Wayland as default it now uses the Wayland icon, and it's really annoying lol

• I am all for replacing X11 with Wayland, something I have been waiting to do for my own machines for 10+ years, and I think I will wait a little more.

• No wonder people run their app on browsers.

• And the users out here are wondering why wayland is the way it is…

• Just give window title on bar and ok fuck any icon this not need anyone. Will be nice see what app window you can click coz you know app name, all this talk is uselles. Also short name will be nice and all looks same with nice font. If you looks all icon with chip, then imagine when name will be on winndow.
  chip destroyer
  chip analyzer
  Just chip diagram
  I see 3 program i click job done, who need this shit icon, if problem will be if you have open 12 windows not 3 and you not open good knowing app like FF. And never see icon before. NO ICON AT ALL is better then random icon becouse fit all theme, and no one cry if all corner icon will be swap example simple hamburger menu.

• Whenever I see controversies like this I'm convinced some Wayland devs are either on the spectrum or really enjoy their glass barbies. The idea of requiring .desktop files just to show icons for windows is absolutely mind boggling. I really hope X11 stays supported for years to come.

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