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A Chronicle of the Unix Wars

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– Per in the last video, I want to thank viewer Lance for pointing out that NeXTSTEP derives from Mach, the CMU variant of BSD.

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32 thoughts on “A Chronicle of the Unix Wars”

  • I didn't know much about Unix other than vaguely knowing Apple used it, the NeXT computer that ran the first www internet at Cern and the SGI computers featured in some movies.

  • OK, this video was more encompassing than the one I just watched by you.

  • Not mentioning SGIs IRIX for at least few seconds is a crime.
    They had a full version of doom to play with best sound coming from the machine as a demo disc.
    OpenGL pioneers.

  • Xerox, AT&T, Blockbuster, Kodak…who committed the biggest blunder in modern history?

  • You mentioned SCO and Linux in passing – I suppose SCO's unsuccessful 20 year lawfare campaign to destroy Linux would be an entire video series in itself, but still might be worth a mention.

  • I was captured by the POSIX battalion in this war. I am still technically hostage. And have assimilated to the culture. No need to send help.

  • buzzes in um actually, macosx is based on BSD as well as nextstep, which makes it not as distant of a relative as implied

  • I started in 1986 with HP-UX or HP Unix and move don to become a Novell Netware specialist. Microsoft has become the de facto standard for business servers, not Linux.

  • This is really great work, thank you. The history of the personal computer is relatively well known, but the OS wars are not. Nearly all computers today (besides Windows) run some descendant of Unix and yet the events leading up to that aren't as well known

  • 12:36 the Intel 486 design engineers all had spark workstations under their desks. Most didn’t use the Motif GUI. They competed to make the most popular .csh files.

  • I'm a bit to young for UNIX. But I very much like NetBSD.

  • Bell Labs was a national treasure. So many nobel prizes and great discoveries…

  • Outstanding. This is a tangled tale but you’ve managed to tell it clearly and concisely.

  • Extremely interesting, as always, thanks a ton.
    I always took Unix/Linux for granted, since the beginning of the internet age. I had no idea it had such a convoluted history.

  • 1) No mention of Bill Jolitz …?
    2) Still have OSF on my DEC 3000
    3) Linux is where it is now because lots of defunct companies made a lot of contributions
    4) Microsoft was even one of the major contributors and was even platinum member of the linuxfoundation

  • Coming to this very much after the fact. What the hell were you all thinking?
    Certainly not about the end user and how that would integrate with nerd systems.
    Apple took that frontage but customer facing is only one element of the whole. The back end matters too. Reliability; Security; Trust

  • 11:08 "he and nobody else ever recalled…"

    What you meant to say was "neither he nor anybody else ever recalled…" For future reference!

  • Stallman was never a professor, NextStep is actually based on Mach, you mispronounced Linus's name, the OSF group did OSF/1, Net/2 is more directly related to NetBSD… I dunno man, be more careful

  • "Six measly files" oh, how the times change (when money is involved). The Sun/Google Java/Android case centered basically entirely around whether Sun could copyright and trademark the function signatures of the Java specification; the very first line of each function that just tells you its name and what parameters and return values it has. Lines that, in and of themselves, execute no code whatsoever.

    Great video though, I enjoyed it. It would be enjoyable to see your take on the entire long SCO Linux debacle.

  • I personally think you got it chronologically, logically and historically wrong. And: Stallman didn't start Linux, and it doesn't matter what he tells everyone.

  • And I would honourably mention Pyramid Technology OSX (later Siemens), which supported ATT SysV and BSD concurrently in one monolithic kernel via conditional symbolic links for commands.

  • I worked at Bell Labs during this time. It was pretty chaotic. That was a great job! It may have been the peak for the greatest industrial R&D operation in history

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