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Beff Jezos: e/acc Is Our Inevitable Future

✨ DEBRIEF | Ryan and David unpacking the episode:
https://bankless.com/debrief-e-acc-beff-jezos

One guest, two identities. Beff Jezos (Guillaume Verdon) is a founding father of the e/acc movement, a physicist, a quantum researcher, and the founder of an AI startup called Extropic. Beff thinks AI doomers are not only wrong, but they’re taking humanity in the worst possible direction. Growth. Acceleration. Progress. These are the core pillars of the e/acc movement. Instead of slowing down on AI progress, Beff explains why we should be speeding up.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro
7:15 Why Pseudonym
15:01 The e/acc Pil
31:54 Fume
36:25 Beff’s Beliefs
39:39 Defining e/acc
40:52 The Dangers of AI?
52:05 Why We’re Here & The e/acc Religion?
58:19 Thermodynamics & Life
1:06:16 Maximizing Human Happiness?
1:16:25 Forgetting Society’s Bottom Half
1:23:00 Cancer Also Grows?
1:29:01 AI Regulation
1:33:09 Social Media’s Mistake
1:36:30 AI Bill of Rights
1:38:26 Domesticating AI
1:41:00 Biggest Threats Against e/acc
1:43:43 AI Humans vs. Humans
1:46:09 e/acc vs. Decels…Violence?
1:49:09 Beff’s Thoughts on Crypto
1:54:36 Beff’s Company – Extropic
1:58:18 Closing & Disclaimers

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RESOURCES

Beff Jezos

Guillaume Verdon

Extropic

AI Safety Podcasts – The Decels
Eliezer Yudkowsky

Connor Leahy

Paul Christiano

Nate Sores

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26 thoughts on “Beff Jezos: e/acc Is Our Inevitable Future

  • holy shit, I see a whole bunch of reasonable ppl who don't want to accelerate into the wall and die compared to huge crowd of [mostly insane] e/acc's on X.
    honestly it feels great to read. such a relief

  • why do people keep inviting this guy on their podcasts? he has nothing to say against people's concerns, and just babbles for hours, making irrelevant points

  • His arguments aren't really there. It's hot air, even if I do want to be positive. I can't survive 4IR with vibes.

  • Very unimpressed with this guy. Barely seems like he knows what he's talking about.

  • "I don't believe that what the doomers are saying holds water"

    "You have to ignore logic and hard metrics, I just feel it and I have to push through with optimism"

    "look at how good things are going to be if we do this!"

    These are not the arguments of a serious person

  • How will the ecosystem on an island evolve if, out of nowhere, we introduced a small, cuddly animal there? You don't know, do you!? So many variables! What happens when AI becomes the most intelligent "species" on Earth? If you think you have the slightest idea, then you haven't thought about the problem long enough. AI doesn't even have to be adversarial to humans to affect everything around us. Scientists who study different species and evolution would be better equipped to speculate on the future of humanity. The accelerated evolution we will have to go through, to me basically means that we'll have to make many times more offspring on the off chance that 1 of them at least will make it and reach puberty. And then at age 12 he dies (probably of old age). But I'm not anxious. Things will just be different. (sarcasm)

    I always thought the sci-fi movies which warned us about the dangers were ridonkulous. But Cindy acting creepy–that was real life!
    AI hiring a human to pass the captcha and lying about it–that was real life too. On top of everything, who knows what the military people got cooking too (to "defend" the homeland, because of course they would). Hopefully we stumble on to the right type of AI architecture by chance because that's how we do safety research.

  • This might be the absolute worst episode of Bankless I have ever listened to. At the very least, it was the one that wasted my time the most (even at 2.5x speed).

    I was genuinely excited to hear the techno optimist side, but this guy was truly awful. It was the Billy Madison scene where he made no coherent or actual arguments/points.
    >Basically, the universe is tilted in our favor. So we'll win because we'll win. It could not get anymore JRPG/anime.

    He in no way addressed the real concerns that people have other than his go-to "push to the moon; tech will fix the problems tech caused" stance.

    If you want to provide something for the audience, have both sides represented by thoughtful, reasoned, rational speakers in an open conversation.

    *you had to know it was going to be terrible when the first qtr was a cringefest discussion on his name vs alter ego

  • I can't say this enough: unless we understand what our goal is: to meet everyone's fundamental human needs, not just food and shelter but our fundamental emotional needs too, we are just accelerating the car being driven by the blind.

  • Backwards Jeff Bezos just doesnt do a very good job of making his arguments. Its a little too handwavy and abstract. While i'm on the side of AI for positive use rather than Eliezer's doomerism, he did do a much better job of making his doomer points than this guy.

  • Basically all ai safety up to this point has been pointless. Andrew torba released his uncensored ai and the only thing that happened was hit pieces were written

  • I’m getting even more scared now because of how inarticulate this person is. Word salad.

  • What's with these 2hr long videos lately?? Who has 2hrs to spend! Plz cap these at ~1hr tops!!!

  • "we are on a mission to spread viral optimism, a sort of f**k you optimism."
    I prefer evaluating each subject seperately instead of having a blanket predisposition nullifying my thinking process, but I am weird like that.

  • Thanks, gentlemen, every Monday rocks with your duet.

  • You voiced the potential use of cryptocurrency in decentralized artificial intelligence computing nodes, highlighting the intersection of these technologies. Absolutely, so investing in crypto is investing in the future. And at the same time no one forbids you to make intraday trades on Fybit))

  • Interesting but dumb. He is missing the point, that more burn and more energy is gonna set the system on fire. History has grown and has expanded, true, I also do think AI can save us from existential risk – but the reason for it will not be acceleration for acceleration sake, but helping humanity back on the path of balancing a complex, interdependent system. And we might have to get there sooner than later. But just setting everything on fire and consuming more and more energy will have the same detrimental effects shown since humans took over the world in the Antropocene – we are not life, we are part of life.

  • Why do you guys use so many strange words and spell things so weirdly? Makes these concepts opaque and difficult to access for a large number of people.

  • Much respect to Beff. But if there is ever a Yudkowsky v. Jezos debate, methinks Jezos would get smoked 👀

  • beff—

    look bro; i was at like google skunk works. can’t talk about it bro. there’s easter eggs out there though my blood

    beff one minute later:

    here’s exactly what I did at google X

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    good interview.

    (i have embraced absurdism because i believe both “sides” are “right.”)

  • i thought it was Justin Tabb from Substratum 🙂

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