Death Of A Legendary Gentoo Linux Based Distro
Funtoo Linux has been around since the early 2000’s but what makes it even more exciting is who made it, it’s a Gentoo Linux distro made by the creator of Gentoo himself after leaving the project.
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Wolf Pack Philosophy: https://www.funtoo.org/Wolf_Pack_Philosophy
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thats so funny that he was accidentally still the president, that's like storming out of a class without realizing you're the professor
Not sure if satire or cult.
Not touched anything Gentoo related, as it's a tad too advanced for my current skill level. This video does remind me that I should have a look at some other distros like Redcore, etc…
I remember installing Gentoo stage2 back in 2002-ish. It was a whole-weekend project.
I had to print out the installation instructions because in 2002 smartphones were not a thing.
It was an interesting experience, but at the end of the process, I just didn't have anything to do in that resulting Linux installation. Almost all the software i wanted to use was windows-only and Wine was not really as good as it is now, specially not for games.
Nooo 🙁
1:23 Awooooooo~
This is why you should not run forks.
that zoomout was crazy omg
F
I've been running gentoo as my daily driver for a few months now. I looked into funtoo but most people seemed to agree that it was too unpolished, under-maintained, and under-documented compared to gentoo. It did seem to have a couple interesting technical differences from gentoo, but not really enough for it to seem worth the effort. I thought about trying it one day out of curiosity, but it looks like that ship has sailed.
Stampede Linux is a name I haven't heard in a long time…be cool to see a "whatever happened to…" on them 🙂
we're all a pack of authentic territorial gnu/librewolfs on the hunt. Awooooo!
wolftoo
A true linux for furries
actually i have an theory why drobbins puts end of it.
Look at aitikin's post. Now look again and then at the first non-Daniel's answers. Yep, that brazilian.
Back in my day when Brodie haven't got yet his iconic Trousers of Recording, community indeed was a different place. Flamewars happened, sure, but majority were either hackers or at least tech savvy ppl. such noob as 16-yo-ish me could be sure if i followed the rules of RTFM (a.k.a how to ask smart questions) i achieved two goals. For one – i was given as precise answer as precise my question was, and two: my struggle ending up being [SOLVED] fueled knowledge base of forums mainly( mailing lists were present but not as popular as forums) for future STFW-aware peeps.
This way any newb was either directed to get familiar with ERS' novel and then come back or hadn't to do so because answer was lying somewhere there with SOLVED tag.
In worst case scenario, someone reached to project's IRC and dealt with given issue directly with people maintaining the software. This was also logged and publicly available (most of the time) and what's more important, indexable and searchable.
Fast forward few years and efficent IRC running on your momma's toaster was superseded with this Discord horsecrap, full of "emojis", "reactions", "animations", voice chats, rooms, propietary Electron client( which in itself should be subject to life sentence) but what's worst – non searchable. That's cute that you can go to discord and get support there, but what for? Ever tried to search for specific message on discord? i surely did and without 3rd party hacks that logs every message somewhere else in its pure textual form such database isn't useful in any way besides being a place for 9875983275th user asking same "hi, how do i change my cursor's size".
Coffnix impersonates everything what's wrong with modern support. Canned answers, false( or canned also) assurances about being "eager to help", "working together to find resolutions" and all that shit which takes away last drop of life from "live support". I don't want a Care Bear to walk me through this place up to end of rainbow, i want precisie answers to precisie questions. Try to call in 2024 any "tech support" and find yourself swimming in swamp of "this call is recoded for improvement of our services", "please dial X to contact with Y support" to ultimately fight AI boss of "please… tell me… what are… you… struggling with… today"; if you are lucky enough to be connected with someone carbon-based able to breath it's 100% of the time coffnix-alike, knowing zero about product's being supported but having access to knowledge base ;]
No, i am not projecting my own frustrations over drobbins situation, just his first answer to forum post shows this 2010-ish mindset of somewhat trolling, somewhat being mean to someone being incapable of either asking smart question or looking for right answers. Leaving microsoft after one month due to his potential not being utilized while basically creating Gentoo tells me everything that i need to know about guy's mindset.
Now go and make another funny comment about wolfpack, i am sure that you'll get many likes.
Brodie, is it just me, or is the number of active Linux Distros, getting smaller?
Ok ~ I take it back, there's a growing number of new arrivals who are building a variant of Arch based in Botswana, with Botswarnian language packs and theme taken from Satan's waiting room, but even 3 ~ 4 years ago, a visit to DistroWatch gave you active useful maintain and potentially interesting distros, down to at least 80 or 90.
I just (a week ago) did a complete nuke and re-install, to get a fresh Mint 22, and when I dropped VirtualBox in, I went looking for all the latest ISO installers for the things I need, and half of them have dropped the Mate desktop because ~
a) nobody uses it,
b) nobody wants to maintain it,
c) that's not a phone / slab / touchscreen thing that would appeal to 16 year olds, or
d) ~ what was your stupid question again?
Now I have Arch – Debian – EndOS ~ Fedora – Parrot and Ubuntu, and I had to use an old Parrot to get a Mate desktop on that.
"There's a hundred or more Linux distros out there to try."
(sigh) Yeah, sort of. Many come with a small selection of Desktops, none of which I want. (Think KDE Neon.) Many are made by people whose efforts I applaud, I welcome them, but I don't want Garuda because "Egg squeezing me please but I am being standing right besides myself to tell you about how outstanding Arch is."
We have a Russian distro, which looks lovely, but I don't actually want it. We have one Chinese distro, and about 4 or 5 general distros that have at least one Chinese flavoured spin. We have a Brazilian distro, a Belgian one, two German ones, a non-systemd one that's French, but other than that, it's essentially just Debian.
We have at least 7 or 8 that are toolboxes for hacking and cracking and pen-testing tools, starting with Kali.
We have several that are packed to the brim with privacy tools and bleach-bit, which seem like a tool-kit for a paedophile to me. We have TAILS which is sold as a tool for freedom fighters and warriors for Democracy in places like China, but it would also be a pretty good toolkit for a paedophile.
We have about a dozen that are designed as disaster recovery tools, install on a USB and use to fix busted-a$$ machines.
We have maybe 20 that are designed to run a switch, a router, a phone system, an edge-gateway, a massive network connection between two large ISPs. A touch-screen kiosk at a ski-resort.
We have a couple that are designed to look like Windows and feel like windows and be a welcoming place for Windows escapees, or more likely for your 82 year old Aunt. ("She's not even going to know.")
We have redhat listed, but you can't really get that. You can get the free version, which is Fedora. In the same tune, we have Suse and OpenSuse. And Tumble-dweeb ~ which is a rolling release of openSUSE's test and try edition, like Fedora. It's a beta-test channel.
[edit] And I have reservations about SUSE because of who owns it, and their history. If you don't remember Novel Netware, look it up. I don't know what they are today, but in the late '90s they were the world's most violent and aggressive legal attack dog. They employed about 6 ~ 8 developers (who were pretty clever) and about 2,ooo lawyers. If you LOOKED the wrong way at Novel, they'd have you in court.
We have about 4 ~ 5 distros that have just vanished, because they were based on RedHat and RedHat stopped the party and threw all their friends out on the street. One day, RedHat is going to ask where their friends are, and there won't be any.
We have Pop!_OS which markets itself at gamer_bois. They don't have a MATE environment.
We have Nobara, who are a lot like Garuda.
We have Zorin, which is another one for your 93 year old aunt to get her off Windows. Elementary ~ much the same.
FreeBSD is not really Linux at all. They're from the GNUs, Richard Stallman's lot. It is a UNIX-like operating system, same as Linux, but …
Tuxedo is the in-house development of some European notebook manufacturer. They build and sell Linux compatible computers, and Tuxedo is their home grown OEM install.
Solus is sorta shutting up and slowly shedding environments and maintainers, winding down and losing momentum ~
~ maybe it's just me, maybe it's just a sign that I've been around this stuff for a while, and I don't look at the BIG LIST on DistroWatch and see a hundred new things I've never seen or heard of before. I know what quite a few of those hundred items are. But it does feel to me, seems like, that list is shrinking. At least, the valid entries are getting fewer. No, I'm not saying Gentoo isn't a valid entry, or Slackware, but you wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Anybody who would be at home with those, knows about them already. Anybody who's never heard of them, shouldn't be pointed at them. A swap-in replacement to a Windows user, they're not.
Of the hundred or so distros listed there, only about a dozen are worth my time to look at. And that's what I'm commenting on. A while back (don't ask, I don't know) about 5 ~ 10 were something I recognised, and the other 90%+ were a mystery to investigate. (sigh).
I think, the number of valid Linux Distros, is getting smaller.
I love Gentoo I've learnt all the important stuffs in Gentoo. This's one hardcore distro to remember.
Funtoo's philosophy sounds cool. But as you read into it I increasingly think F in Funtoo wasn't F as in Fun. The F might be for Fury (I'm not saying fuRRy, ehem)
I'm a Gentoo user (chad). And I never saw the appeal of Funtoo, it was just never compelling enough of a change.
Did NOT know Gentoo was this old.
I used Funtoo almost primarily from 2015 – 2017/2018ish. I wasn't a fan of the "stable release" enforcement that began happening back then. I found myself just bringing in the gentoo portage tree and needing to hack around it to the point I thought, "Why not just use Gentoo again?" I did miss a couple of the Funtoo only features (such as the networking init system) but Gentoo these days feels a lot more like Funtoo did when I first discovered it.
Although it wasn't for me, I'm sad to see Funtoo it go. I hope drobbins finds success in whatever he does next!
eh, I found it funny that someone who would pretend to be diplomatic would be soooo eager to remove someone from groups because 'he thinks' that they shouldn't be there, because lord forbid a former dev contributor to a project keeps in touch on the mailing lists of projects they did good work on & just wished to cool their jets on that coding they did for it.
It is sad when a person steps away like this. I used to use PCBSD back in the day and they changed things and then changed the OS they were on and then just stepped away. I never used Gentoo as I could not install it but did use Gentoo based distributions like Sabayon and others but even that one decided to try and build their own thing but not even sure that is still going on. So many good people leaving projects for other things in life but good for them but if you liked what they were working on not so good for you.
I still hate Microsoft in 2024
another useless distro and wasted time and effort on something that will never catch on…
I used to be a Gentoo user for a long time, and I remember I did move over to Funtoo eventually. Later, I entirely moved to other distros. Shame to see Funtoo go, though.
My spouse was a Gentoo user for years, but I've never emerge worlded. First OS was Unix on a PDP. As a Linux user, I've settled into Ubuntu land. I've played with other distros, but just for exploration. I don't really want to fiddle, I just want a reliable OS that comes out of the box nice. My desktop is pretty much the same as ever (fluxbox, openbox and now Xfce) with a conky system monitor script I wrote 13 years ago. I get my work done, write some music, write some code, play some games and watch YouTube.
Hearing "i know youre the creator but you were away for so long" that sounds like an insider ousting with extra steps, sounds illegal to me and a major MAJOR issue in open source
So now Funtoo's users have to … INSTALL GENTOO …?!
Sorry, I could not keep it in. 😀
About all I know about Gentoo is the old "Gentoo is Rice" website.
I found Funtoo a year or so ago when I tried out Gentoo. I was crying reading the wiki, a true internet gem. Honestly, with all the different use flags this project made a lot of sense. Help split the difference between the absolute freedom of Gentoo and a relatively standardized setup like Arch (which I use btw).
Is Daniel Robbins just a furry drama queen with extra steps?
I used Funtoo for a while years ago but eventually went back to Gentoo. Sucks to see it go
How much would you charge to be the spokesman for a new distro?