I Disagree With Asmongold…

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• All the beautiful worlds you have encountered thus far. The animated characters you have come to love. The games you have come to love. All were created by the hands of a person. Someone took a machine, fed these artists into it & uses it to let the masses make forgeries in seconds. With absolutely no thought of how it's going to impact the future generations. The artists yet to be born, whats the point even? We are crushing them before they even get here, by robbing the artists of the past & the current. Those robbed are being told to shut up & fall in line & enjoy their own pillaging. "because we had fun". ffs I'm sure the fat cats in the exec offices LOVED to hear that. This is exactly how people have lost their jobs, people don't care what happens to them, even though they have spent so much time loving their hard work. The masses are applauding the machine as we feed it our people. There will be no lights left for the future to nurture. It just makes me really sad for the future that we are happily feeding our future gens to machines, so we can now, greedily consume whatever the fat cats want to shove at us without having to pay. The execs must be thrilled.

• I would really love if AI training was built for people to opt IN, not forcing people to opt out, if even that. I'm hoping that we can get there sooner rather than later

• People have been loosing jobs to automation for a couple of decades now and people have been being replaced with ai for months the hiring process for companies now start with ai sorting applications than its reduced and sent to a hiring manager also editor's are loosing there jobs

• Artists and other visionary workers are the backbone of all quality consumable media types as they bring the soul of expression and meaning to life. If there is no passion, there is no soul. And without soul, there is no quality and stagnation takes hold. Those who are in denying this reality will soon realize the truth once it goes after their jobs or they cant get qualtiy products anymore i.e. movies, games, music, art, etc. It might take a decade or two but it will inevitably be an issue that almost every job sector will face. AI by itself is not an inherently bad tool, but in the wrong hands, its dangerous and unfortunately there are many bad actors that run the economy globally.

• The biggest challenge is that legislators are far behind technology progress. Problems which you pointed are not only related to artists. Every one is going to become someone who would possibly be replaced by AI. 1. If we will not be working how we will get money? 2. If we would have money how we would buy goods and services created by ai 3. The goods distribution will be even worse then now (do we need communism to stop it?) 4. If people would stop creating then ai will have nothing new to learn from, this means progress will be huge at beginning of revolution but will be going slower and slower… 5. If we will stop creating with our hands we will forget how to do it… skill regression…. And so on…

• No one serious argues that AI is something you can bottle back up. My problem is how the discussion has people pussy footing around what needs to be done. It's simple, someone should not be able to profit off protected works without the artist's or company's involvement. You as an individual, or as a company, have a legal obligation to prevent your model from building off copywritten works. Knowingly doing so means you are liable for the infringements made by your system. Whatever future discussions of regulations hold, it should focus on this aspect.

• Genie can't be put back in a bottle with that attitude. Genies been put/are being put back – most recently NFT.

  But even if genAI is here to stay, I'd be content with a restriction that the technology cannot be publically accessed, licenses have to be purchased by companies to use them and one must state for what purpose it is to be used – based on a registered company activity.

• did you see the cockroach video?

• Do we really want all of our media to be created by algorithms? We do not want to go down this path.

• Common W take from Muta, as usual.

• People who say the kind of Asmongold says really have no soul when it comes to what it takes to create something. They have a cynical, flat view of art and its significance to life.

• Said this on Asmond's react but gonna say it here. It's time for artists to find a new job, Henry Ford put Horse traders out of business. AI is going to put more than artist out of work in the next decade.

• Consumers don't care? I disagree. People pay, not only because they enjoy the product but also to support people who make the product.
  If you using AI, why would I pay you? Most likely, I'd pirate your game.

  If you are rob, then people gonna rob you too.

• hard to believe gold has any popularity.

• Worse take ever, Asmon.

• Asmongold needs to learn to clean his room before i can take anything he has to say seriously.

• Asmond doesnt care as long as they arent making AI react channels. The moment ppl switch off to watch an AI "streamer" react to videos all is fine, lowest common denominator should decide whats good and whats not.

• Video killed the radio star, streaming killed video. Progress happens. Banning or restricting AI will only cause people to do it illegally. It's a valuable tool, and stands to increase productivity and give people more free time to learn new skills or take up new hobbies. We all work too much and need a better balance, not this idea that we have to grind til we're too old to properly enjoy the cash we haven't been spending.

• If Nintendo could take Palworld to court they would already have done so.

• I think what asmon meant was that in the end people will use AI to create art and since the development is so rapid it will eventually be indistinguishable from normal art. The opinions of artists then won't matter since no matter what they say they won't be able to stop people from using AI to make art.

• the problem is style isn't intellectual property. for instance the guy who made ocarina of time in unreal 5 in a style that basically is 1 to 1 of studio ghibli if an AI made it that would somehow make it taboo. Artists aren't mad because their work is getting replicated they are mad because of the speed in which it can. the problem is the genie has been let out of the bottle you can't put it back in because it upsets one group of people

• the thing is a lot of people don't just want to be "consumers". these industries want us to boil artists' work down to "content" for "engagement", and people are pushing back on that

• there

• I think Muda missed the point.

  Asmon isn’t arguing against or for AI art. He’s saying that the majority of consumers don’t care about it. The only people who care about this are the terminally online people like us who consume content about it. We live in a bubble and don’t represent the majority.

  And Muda isn’t arguing against this point, he’s just taking a moral stance against ai art.

  But if people don’t care, then nothing will change about it.

• You know, I just can't believe that he ended up making a YouTube channel and etc after all these years. My guild hosted him often as an outsider to make teams and etc, and was always on (just about) and ready to go. He was rather mouthy in vent, back when that was the way to talk during raids. Heard some rather concerning happening, but have no proof for it so not worth getting into. It was literally 18-20y ago now. But it's one of those things that if it were known, nobody would have known of him at all. When I see his name online I just think of how crazy-lucky people are.

• Your kind of people collect scrap cardboard in my country, whenever I see you I can't take anything you say seriously. No offence.

• Asmongold just doesn't understand what it's like to do actual work for a living so he will never understand.

• i can smell his tshirt from my room

• the thor movie was good tho

• AI should replace these greedy corporate CEOs. Tell it to make a profit AND care for its employees and itd do a much better job.

• no one owns a style pokemon as of late is insulting to long time fans palworld is much better

• In my opinion , it's the perception, I don't think asmondgol is wrong ,cuz ultimately it is use to assist the creation and the final product was drawn by artist. It makes Thier job easier when they treat it as a business transaction. Trust me when I say this, when a guy ho had no artistic background start wiggling thie finger around and commenting on stuff that they are not specialized at ,felt not good. I'd much rather they just generate a general visuals and send it to artist and asked them to follow the reference.

• Josh Strife Hayes said what Asmongold said (without condoning it) in a much less dickish attitude.

  People like Asmond don't care because they aren't directly suffering but I'd imagine he will if it affects his wallet. If he supports piracy of other's work then people might as well pirate his or better yet deprive him of attention.

• Whether you agree or disagree with Asmon he's still right though lol

• Feed images to AI is the same as showing a human images to get inspiration from those. Given that if a human does it, it’s fine, if a robot does it, it should be fine too.

  Seriously AI art is not going to make whole characters and environments by itself, it would be stupid. The suitable use is generating images to get inspiration or generating extremely unartistic stuff like a grass texture.

  Relax people, I’m a programmer, I can be replaced easily, and I’m not going to get mad at AI because of this.

• Im convinced a lot of these comments didnt even watch the video

• Soon as he said artists opinions dont matter i went to make sure i wasnt subbed to a snobby loser.

• Leave it to the least artistic mind to judge whether or not art is important

• Are we really surprised this is Asmon's take? I'm just sad Palworld didn't have microtransactions, cause if Asmon had spent thousands of dollars in gotcha pulls. I would of won my "Asmon Normalizing Predatory Business Practices in Gaming." Bingo card.

• Muta absolutely nailed it with the A.I. part! My only point of being like, "Huh…?" was the part where he called Asmon a "Marvel soyjack." First off, using the term soyjack unironically seems cringe to me. Second, I remember when all of these snobby filmmakers were saying how superhero movies aren't real cinema, and even back then, the only thing I could think was who cares. Popcorn flicks can still be great and make the audience feel, and, if nothing else, it was a fun ride! Also, making fun of someone for liking something, even if that something is "bad" or "unpopular," is dumb.

• Back in the early 2000s i would have never imagined that gamers would become drama channels. I thought they only cared about playing games…and the true gaming channels are like that. This guy is basically twitch generating controversy

• Ngl I think it should be a matter of being able to copyright or take down ai models that use artists…ART without any consent. Otherwise, I kind of don’t want to see AI art just get blasted 🤔

• I just think that it’s inevitable that AI art in games, movies, Music, etc is going to happen no matter how much you try and fight it. If steam says nobody can have AI art in the games they publish on steam then it’s just going to open up a new avenue for it somewhere else. At the end of the day if you make a fun game people wanna play it and will find a way to play it no matter how many barriers you put up. Also AAA game companies are also going to be pushing hard for AI art because it makes the game both cheaper and quicker to produce. I think talented real artists will always have a place in the industry but no doubt AI art is going to become very prevalent in the coming years.

• Yeah who needs integrity? Stealing is ok if nobody cares apparently.

  There's a big difference in using ai as a tool like in the voice line example and ai just mushing together a bunch of art they don't have the rights to and use it as if they payed an artist when they probably just stole from 100 different artists

• i dont mind AI being used, i care how it is used. like i have a game i wanna make, i know nothing about how to even start. if there was an AI able to just make it as i wanted i would be all over it. but the ones i know of cant quite do it so no reason to bother.

• to be honest Muta, what you're talking about in regards to regulation applies only to the "free" limited versions of those AI software if at that. the paid versions of GPT and Midjourney have some big capabilities a lot of the general public doesn't even imagine is possible in the free tier tools. like it or not, AI is here, the same way someone who has a doll figurine or a 3D model of something and uses as a pose reference to construct art on top of it. it's a tool imo. a tool used for good and for bad. and honestly, give it two, three or maybe five years and it will be inescapeable. i guarantee you that for example, someone that can deliever a great performance, but has only one type of voice, will be able to voice a hundred or even a thousand characters in a project with their performance alone, producing distinct voices, and even voices for characters that are of the opposite sex they are, a thing that was unthinkable before A.I. (and if you think that synthesizing a voice that is not stolen but juuuust close enough that people would not tell the difference is hard, boy you're in for an experience 2 or 3 years from now). and to be honest, i'd say for personal use (a fan project, or something personal, for someone to express themselves for example) i'd say let the person use it. it's not harming anyone. for commercial use however we can discuss, but honesty we gotta stop the gatekeeping within the communites of art, coding and developing, because it makes us look bad and selfish in the eyes of other people, and that's the last thing we want.

• Great video

• Any sufficiently decent artist can replicate any art style. You not being able to replicate Mona Lisa arguement is void, since a lot of artists can

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