In Defense of Framework 16

20 thoughts on “In Defense of Framework 16”

• Remember: **Syntax is your wand**, indentation your incantation. And when the sun peeks over the horizon, casting shadows upon your keyboard, you'll know—you've danced with caffeine's muse.

  May your code compile swiftly, your loops be infinite (but not too infinite), and your dreams be caffeinated! ☕🌙✨

• My Lenovo Legion with an i7-12700H, a 3070TI, 2TB NVMe and 32GB RAM came ~900€ shipped. The hardware is pretty well supported on Linux and it is overall a good machine.

  I would still call the frameworks overpriced, sorry. I could literally buy a second and third one to replace it for the price and that's with worse IO and DIY.

• good Linux support makes a single laptop Trump all other laptops in its class in general.

• It costs 1600£ in the uk so i think i will pass the motherboards are priced more than some full laptops it may be good for the earth and good for framework but it aint for your walle

• Oh, might as well air some greviances here; it is entirely indefensible how Framework hadn't streamlined their expansion card production by deprecating as many of the single-function expansion card options they can in favour for multi-function cards. No reason why we can't have both a USB-A port and four-pole audio, or dual USB-C, or mini-HDMI and three-pole line out. What's stopping them, aside from the slightly more expensive proposition of specific-purpose USB hubs?

• ngl this is the most excited i've been for a laptop ever, the engineering is very smart and cool and seeing it come to fruition is exciting

  the tradeoffs might not make sense for the general consumer, but for me i dont care about the downgrades to allow the modularity

• For people who are looking for hw recommendations on a lower budget spectrum, I am currently running openSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma 5.27.9 on OMEN Laptop 15-en0xxx and everything important is working fine including NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti. The hardware is ok, build quality is good and it is doesn't have "Gaming" aesthetics. Ofc HP doesn't support linux on this model and despite selling it with FreeDOS you need to have Windows to update the BIOS. The keyboard back-light customization boils down to on/off.

  Like many other viewers here, I am also only considering upgrading in the future to a device with strong linux support and as much sustainability as possible so Framework looks like strongest contender.

• The No CUDA problem is resolved the moment you slap a GPU in the back of it using the Dell-made semi-proprietary reverse-engineered open re-release of a rear-facing external MXM-style attachment it has with NVidia hardware. Gives your laptop a chunky ass, but some people are into that. 😏

• For Cuda, what about using HIP? Is that really not an option for local AI execution like quantized LLM?

• I was so stuck in the traditional mindset that I didn’t think to get the 16 without the dGPU for now and get it later when I had more money. That says plenty enough for me about the company for me to get the laptop.

• Framework is brilliant, but it still needs third party support — If the framework can become a hardware standard, we could have more choice for performance, price, and aesthetics. Sadly, right now, it seems like Framework has to do all that work themselves, which is only going to hurt them if other companies get together to make a shared standard.

• Framework gifting that laptop to KDE was a 3D chess move (apart from just being nice and supportive).

• My gut feeling for the laptop, before even watching this video, was “expensive but probably worth it.” Even so, the half-sized up and down arrow keys and USB-C charging from the side, giving up a port, kind of throw me off. But maybe there will be a touchpad module in the future where the touchpad surface is sunken into the palm rest a bit to keep one’s hands physically removed from the touchpad while typing. Manufacturers did their users no favors when they abandoned that convention.

• WOW !
  I just learned from your video about the AMD Rz 616 wifi 6E chipset.
  Did not know they did this.
  Two heavy underdogs, AMD + Mediatek ready to take over !!

• Great article! As a proud owner of a Framework 13” laptop, I concur with Luca.

• I think the fingerprint reader is the only thing that has issues on Linux which is probably why it wasn’t included in the ChromeOS version.

  Interesting that other laptops do become more expensive when you make sure the parts are on par with the ones in Framework.

  If Framework gets a great 2nd hand market then that could be the way for people with less money to get one.

  There are more Linux dedicated laptop manufacturers (like they make a Linux distro for their laptops) but they dont offer the same repairability and upgradeability as Framework.

• I know my brother would love one. He uses everything for as long as they work so the repairability is great, he uses blender so the powerfulness and swappaple gpu are great, he would prefer to have the numpad on the left side (numpad controls the view in blender) and he would put at least 2 display outs into it.

• I had no idea the keyboard ran on qmk, that makes this the definitive choice for when I get a new laptop soon as I have multiple keyboards with qmk and zmk now. Great video

• 5: They refuse to ship it to my country

• To be honest, I was sold as soon as I saw that the keyboard can be removed and replaced.
  If you can change pieces, then it cannot be overpriced, you're going to save money. Not being able to replace pieces safely is how I was forced into changing laptops 3 times in the past 7 years.

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