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[time stamps]
0:00 Intro
0:57 Our Week in FOSS
1:04 Tyler
3:50 Steve
5:59 Josh
7:34 Matt
16:05 Gnome VS KDE – FIGHT!
17:44 Which is Better for New Users?
37:29 Does Customization Matter?
45:25 Which Has the Better Apps?
1:02:09 Why You Should Use Gnome/KDE
1:06:55 Who Won?
1:07:27 Thingies of the Week
1:07:32 Tyler Thingie
1:09:26 Steve Thingie
1:12:01 Josh Thingie
1:13:34 Matt Thingie
1:15:51 Contact Info and Goodbyes
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in my opinion linux in general should do things like gnome, i think the only think that works perfectly on linux is gnome… I'm not talking about esthetic, but more of the use experience in general buttons do the things you expect, the behavior is what you predict.
I think Josh is right on the money. It's really frustrating watching him debate with a guy that can't put the weed cart and beer down for a legitimate discussion in a podcast.
KDE is easy to remove but gnome is not and if you try to remove gnome most likely breaks the system
25:33 gnome tells you to use extensions, until they break. then they tell you that you shouldn't be using extensions.
"if i change something in the settings and it breaks kwin for no reason, because we all no kwin always crashes whenever you change a setting, because it always does. We all know that"
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Are you guys serious in this conversation? I have heard so many arguments in this debate that are questionable, but this one made me actually pissed off at you. Why? Because I'm using KWin daily since many years, I remember it had its downs, but that was very long time ago. But what you said there is clearly a lie, you are clearly way too much overexagerrating there.
Not everything is perfect on either side, however, I was hoping for a way more grown up debate between you four. Less religious talk, less FUD, more factual talk. And no, just because some of you said (quote): "that's a fact", doesn't make it a fact. Again, too much FUD, too little actual productive debate.
Apart from that, well, decent. I hoped for a somewhat better content. Otherwise, keep it on going (or casting) 😉
Gnome is boring but I always go back to it as my daily driver. I routinely try to stick to another wm or de but end up always going back to gnome
Matt kept bringing up kwin crashing. Maybe I'm lucky but not once has kwin ever crashed on me when using KDE.
But then again I dont tend to try to force the desktop to do something it wasnt designed to do.
I'd also like to say that, personal opinion aside; Josh and Matt won the argument. They provided a lot more factual information to support their stance.
I'm really surprised that neither side brought up speed and resource usage, which KDE would have won, despite it shear amount of dependencies.
Steve n Tyler by a country mile.
…and i like cinnamon, not either, in this modern age!
It was indeed the best podcast 😀
Cool intro and video 👌🏼
My experience over the last five years has been: Kubuntu > Ubuntu and Debian with KDE > GNOME regarding installation on hardware as well as stability.
Sorry our kid, I don't watch vids over about 20 mins, or maybe 30 mins if it's really interesting. That's obvs me, not you!
1:05:28 Really great plot twist!
Josh, Gnome is not able to apply a theme on all gtk apps not to mention qt. come on man. This is not one of the things gnome at this moment is doing good and neither are extensions
Matt you are complying about theme complexity and gnome does not have themes again being able to be applied on gtk apps. move to the next point
Josh , Gnome used to work, now it is a mess, like a beta version the past few years.
The job title also plays a role on how much is the ceiling of salary etc
Josh again, customization on Gnome does not work , what version are you using that is not available anywhere else?
I genuinely try to like Plasma as a daily driver. As much as I appreciate all the work that goes into it, the possible customizations and so on, it just feels bumpy. It's the small things like weird color borders on inactive windows, missing cursor themes on flatpaks when not using the default cursor theme, missing app icons for flatpak on Wayland, the buggy floating panels (sometimes it goes into fullscreen mode even if no window is in fullscreen on the active screen). The list goes on and on and you can EASILY mess the whole desktop up while playing with different themes and settings.
On the other side GNOME just gets out of my way. Sure, less customization but at the end of the day I want to get work done and GNOME enables me to do that. It looks beautiful by default, has nicer default apps and encourages a very focused workflow.
I will for sure revisit Plasma 6 in February!
KDE wins
Josh and Matt had the better discussion. They were able to make a good case for why GNOME is preferable. Tyler is better off going into politics, he mostly plays on sentiment and condemned people for using a desktop environment. Steve is the wise man, occasionally colouring outside the lines, but ultimately wise. But Josh and Matt won in my eyes. Loved this episode, thank you.
gnome is for people who doesnt give a f about customization, or for those who want smooth de for workstations, workflow on gnome oh man u just cant beat it. for home or out-of-work pc i think kde is better, coz u can spend shitton of time tweaking it with proper eye candies, but only if u dont want to mess up with tiling wm's
17:12 it's nome. not Gnome………………😴
idc about gnome'kde, Tyler was hands down the best and most enthusiastic defender this episode, and im a GNOME guy
So… In the teams… Who REALLY daily use kde or gnome? Nobody 😅 ( except Steve for kde)
KDE guys lost the argument by first saying gnome is bad because one person associated with it likes mushrooms, and then saying KDE is better because it's like a bunch of stoners. Pick a lane.
Why the hate for Nano?
I agree with Steve. KDE users are like the Sith. There are only two at a time.
one of them has no eyes. btw the best music player is "Dopamine"
To be honest I like how xfce maintains a plugin like ecosystem instead of extensions like gnome and KDE. I hate both for that…..
Xfce has everything a user needs , nothing more , nothing less
just pronounce it GNOME, duh
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Best episode so far 🤣