ProtonMail Sends User IP and Device Info to Swiss Authorities.

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• I use Proton Mail for the same reason I use Brave browser. I'm not after absolute sub-atomic tight privacy. I just want a mostly clean and functional experience that isn't Google, Microsoft, etc. Proton Mail categorically IS a huge upgrade privacy-wise over those far more widespread services. Sure if you really dive into the weeds of privacy you'll likely find even tighter solutions, but then some of those solutions can be very technical and not remotely realistic for 99% of users.

  Bottom line is Proton Mail is a huge step in the right direction, even if they comply with the law, as they should.

• so called environmentalists are bolsheviks. they are dangerous.
  but damn this really shows how "secure" secure websites really are

• If it involves SwiSS it's best avoided
  Home of the devil that place

• womp womp

• Mullvad email hosting when

• Fucking glowies reeeeeeeeeeeee

• What a disappointment. IP addresses? It's like identifying atoms by the number of "protons"

• run an email server in Iran / Belarus / Kekistan. They're DEFINATELY not helping the USA over there.

• The solution isn't to switch email providers, the solution is to stop using email altogether. If you want a demi-decent alternative, buy a burner phone (you can even do that online with crypto), register on signal, and use that (over Tor if you're paranoid).

• From what I’ve read, and I’m open to discussion because I just want the truth, the Swiss government “compelled” proton mail to log the ip address of that French activist. I have not found any other device information logging.

  I know this is an old video but I want to point out that companies are only as private as their government allows them to be. If these companies don’t comply, then they will be shutdown.

  Edit: spelling mistakes

• proton mail was gay from day 1

• If u cant do the time, dont do the crim

• While I appreciate what you're saying here and am onboard with the points being made "knowing" and "logging" or fundamentally different things.

  Any packet transmitted over TCP/IP requires the IP address to be known. Even at the level of a network switch, it has to know.

  But my unmanaged network switch cannot be queried later for IP addresses that were once involved in the transmission of a packet that was once relayed 15 years ago, because it doesn't write that information to a log file anywhere.
  (And yes, I'm using this example on purpose because the network switch does keep track [which is different than logging and that's my entire point] of which IP addresses exist on each port, it maintains that information only for the purpose of specifying which physical ports to transmit the data through.)

  It is one thing to say that X email provider DOES log the addresses. But it's another thing to say that it is impossible for them not to. The technical transaction of data that occurs when an email is sent requires that the IP addresses are known, but that doesn't mean that they are necessarily written to a log that can later be queried and retrieved.

  Again, I'm not defending Proton here, I'm just saying that it's false information to say that email MUST NECESSARILY LOG every IP address.

  If I'm delivering packages for Amazon it is necessary that I KNOW the delivery address. But you are describing this in such a way that says if the Swiss authorities pulled over an Amazon Driver and asked them for a list of every address that they have taken a package to in the last year that it is a technical impossibility for that driver to say "I didn't log those addresses and therefor cannot provide them to you."

  Can they log it? Yes
  Is it possible to log it? Yes
  Is it ever impossible to log it? No

  Is it ever possible to not log it? YES
  (This last one is what I feel you are greatly misrepresenting in the video)

• wow! reddit has been censoring correct information? that so strange and unlike them ! i ewould never expect that from REDDIT . -_-

• There are options for security that make things safer, but you can’t beat not being on the internet at all

• After watching enough Mental Outlaw you realise: "Nothing is True: Everything is permitted".

• today's privacy is a joke. it's like having a cctv in our bathrooms which we never notice.. shit

• today's privacy is a joke. it's like having a cctv in our bathrooms which we never notice.. shit

• I dont know why proton told, he coulda hit them wit the script but he didnt sugar coat it, he told them what he told them. That was my brotha he bogus

• How about encrypting your messages first. Proton is still pretty good. There are ways to get around these probs he was talking about. Also don't use a regular browser in "full screen mode." Use max security settings in non regular browsers. Don't mix personal or business accounts on the same computer or operating systems. There are more secure OSes like TailsOS, Parrot OS. Run tailsos or parrotOS off of an USB DRIVE. THEN when done UNPLUG your USB drive when done. DON'T save bookmarks. Constantly erase browser history.
  Don't use browser extensions. Use Tor browser. Use different computers for different things. DON'T DO ILLEGAL THINGS! DON'T get lazy or cocky. Know before you go. Dont be a "know enough to be dangerous kind of person!" PROPERLY USE A VPN LIKE MALVAD. Read! Learn! TRUST NO ONE. CONSIDER YOUR THREAT MODEL.
  REALIZE EVERYTHING YOU POST IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE FOR EVER!
  "The cloud" is just 'someone elses computer.'
  Sometimes things are still active for a while in RAM even after you shut off your computer, for a while and sometimes incriminating info can be retrieved from your RAM.

• Andy Yen is a money hungry bozo. You will get spammed with stupid discount ads even if you're a member. Proton how about you stop spamming your members within the app with silly discount ads. Good products don't need to be spammed they grow by word of mouth and we have had enough….

• For the record: There is a difference between seeing an IP address and logging it. Logging it is to keep a record for later, you know, in case authorities ask for it. Not that I trust a company that tells me it doesn't keep logs.

• what could be an alternative of the google suite ?

• Channels like this are the sole reason why internet privacy will never be widespread. Go offline or learn to deal with the imperfections of the system.
  If you a criminal and want to live in the shadow area of the net, fuck you (not talking about this french kid, no one cares).
  If you are a privacy conscious person who doesn't like how the big corpoes treat the users, use proton, tuta etc, no harm will come to you.
  This is now more about satisfying one's mental illness rather than privacy concerns.
  Oh and send me crypto thats so private and safe and future proof

• When you say it's nearly impossible for any network service not to log IP addresses, I think you're conflating "logging" with "having access". It's perfectly possible for an email server to have access to your IP but not store it in any logs, or to store a cryptographic hash of the IP rather than the IP itself

• Can't see why this would not be the end of Proton.

• 8:33 😂

• ProtonMail should be avoided at all cost: this is an example of false security, that is worse than known insecurity!
  As an experienced guy, I avoid any false security, and in fact what seems to be all of my exchanges are easily available to authorities. I save my taxpayer money 😉

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