The State Of Xorg Outside Of Linux
Whilst this isn’t a BSD channel, it’s always fun to see what’s happening on the other side of the Unix world outside of Linux
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If the grass is well funded. Otherwise, bsd just looks like a symbiotic relationship, taking ideas at this point. My concern is, does Wayland make sense for IoT? I mean, beyond headless bare bones for small projects. Xorg is upsetting because they just needed funding and the direction to strip the garbage out. They didn't. They will stick around until hardware dies I guess.
I love the BSD philosophy, but I'm not tech sufficient enough to try running it and figure out ports so I'll have to wait a little longer I guess
i did use xbiff way back in the 2000's
Embrace the sixel
0:19 “Wayland changes quite rapidly, and nowadays, it’s pretty out of date.”
I’m glad you changed your mind about Wayland 😂
Oh my god, I haven't thought about the old NV 2d-driver in _years_. Takes me way back
xbiff. I used it during my high school days. Which I left in… 1998… Let's shed a tear for days gone by.
in a way, its bad that the BSD guys didn't do upstream development, and shared a bit more codebase, a lot of the work that has been done (like not needing to run X as root for security) is great. And Xorg on linux (and the other BSD variants) would surely have benefitted.
Wow, this system feels so … ancient.
MH is old indeed, but mmh is a streamlined version of it and it is excellent mail system for automated systems. It doesn't have any UI, but if you need to do something programmatically with emails the it is very good. Just google Markus Schnalke: Modern Mail Handler thesis.
I think Brodie had Discord open and I pinged him while he was recording this video. XD
This video is truly the best advertisement for wayland you could have made
What's NetBSD for again?
Ugly bitmaps are obviously a feature.
I left them over a WiFi driver
I did use xbiff for some time… twenty years ago. And I loved it! 🙂
(I was also a very dedicated xeyes user)
"Wayland changes rapidly" — Does it? Is this the same Wayland that can't agree on simple protocols?
Xorg is so neat.
It is an over engineered solution for a desktop, but it has a ton of potential in this cloud based world we are building.
8:00 omg you spoke with a normal voice!
Xorg rules Wayland still beta
1:53 Regarding the monolithic X packaging, this is just the way UNIX has always done it (Solaris, etc), and how Linux used to do it as well. See Slackware as an example. It used to be quite normal for all of those standard X tools to be installed as one big .tgz file before Linux became "Debianized" with dependency handling in a package manager. I reckon from the NetBSD side, if it ain't broke..
I want to try some BSD
BSD doesn't need the new shiny 🙂
Wayland gang rise up
For me, Wayland works just fine. Though sysadmin by profession, I just use Fedora KDE (since Fedora 24) at home for basic stuff like browsing and mail, perhaps some ancient stuff java coding. Usually I don't install the freshest release, but update when I have to because N-2 is about to fall out of support. Haven't encountered any issues, even going via ssh to a remote server and there starting virt-manager, window appearing back on my laptop – that surprised me, because I assumed that would be X11-via-ssh, where I thought it couldn't work if my PC runs Wayland. (Perhaps XWayland does that?). I also manage Fedora and KDE in dual boot mode for wife and daughter, and they are happy with it as well.
The bottom line: for a casual "I'd rather use Linux just because I don't want to use Windows", Fedora KDE which is already for several releases on Wayland, things work smoothly.