Unbelievable! Ford Mustang Mach-E's Software Glitch Could Leave You Stranded
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00:00 – Intro
00:43 – You wouldn’t download a car, would you?
01:03 – I would; here’s why
02:00 – They got their wish – you can’t download your car
02:35 – You can restore to a known working version from a backup… right?
02:56 – This is worse than 2016 windows 10
03:37 – Stop blaming electric vehicles: blame negligent design
04:47 – The truth about electric drivetrains
05:00 – You do NOT need to update software for a motor controller to function.
05:57 – Yes, cars are more complex than a bike…
06:05 – This is still inexcusable
07:09 – We accept things getting worse with new technology paradigms
07:25 – Smartphones as an example
09:16 – People have come to expect less freedom with new technology for no good reason
10:20 – Blame the right people
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Its sad to see Luis is gobbling the tesla fud and spitting it back out as fact.
When I can go around town and buy a 2000s car for a couple grand and it runs better than a brand new $60k car that's just sad
Yes, LG smart TV has the same bullshit. I can not use it without agree to terms of use. And that tells me that the $500 is useless for me. There is only a agree button and the terms is that I agree to make my tv to a spy cam for LG. No way I agree to that.
You gotta wonder if there making theese electric cars shit on purpose so that people will think there shit and keep selling gas cars.
EVs themselves are pretty ingenious, sadly they are very vulnerable to horrible business practices.
I think the reason we have less freedom in tech nowadays is because Apple proved for the whole tech industry the concept that you can take away so many things from a user, make a lame ass excuse like "Oh, that's because we care about you, silly" and get away with it. And now companies are testing their limits, like "Oh, I wonder how much I can screw with our customers and still get no problems for doing so whatsoever". As this case shows to us – they can get away with a lot of shit.
Here's a concept. You find your vehicle bricked after dropping hundreds on groceries.
Thank goodness network switches/routers had this problem fixed 20 years ago, lmao
It’s gonna be Reality Games 2024! Yay…🤦
I prefer a car with sparkplug, fuel and a key to start. Easy to maintain and repair. Simple, efficient motoring.
If your car requires an over the air software update, i would argue it was sold in a broken state! Nowadays there seems to be this mentality that software in someway has a shelf life and can "spoil" over time. That's complete BS! If you (the software developer) did your job correctly, you can produce bug free software up to a point where the software is "done". There is software out there that hasn't been updated in years because it doesn't need to. It was done right the first time around.
I'm baffled how these new cars even passed certification! Not long ago there was a time where every change to the critical systems needed to be crash tested before you could release it to the market. What happened to THAT?
Anyone who bought a Ford electric car is an idiot.
OpenSource EV firmware should be pushed. Just think of the time when the manufacturer stops supporting your device and you may encounter major problems.. :/
"You wouldn't download a car!" "F U, I would if I could."
Absolutely spot on… amateur engineering
To think I was even considering a 2022 Chevy Bolt for $16k…….The price is definitely attractive and for my use-case, even palpable. But this video is a sobering reminder that EVs just aren't ready yet. I don't want to be a simple OTA update from a lemon that I would need to get to work. Does it cost 8x to refuel my gas car, compared to charging my car? Yes. Do I know that gas car will work 100% of time that's within my control? Absolutely yes.
That's why NO 2024 Mustang, too Connected! #1970FORLIFE
to add insult to injury it was probably just an update to the infotainment system, ie.. the radio that prevented the car from being driven. I want an EV thats just plain and simple, battery, controller, and motor. a car should not need an internet connection for updates. once I buy it it should be mine 100%.
6:00 i speak as someone who EV converts cars for a hobby, cars are not much more complicated than a ebike. They just use larger versions of the same components. the drive components for an electric car starting from the wheels and ending with the charge port is a motor, inverter/controller (motors are AC so the controller usually is the inverter), DCDC (takes battery voltage and drops it down to 12v for auxiliary components), pre-charge(prevents sending 1000 amps to components connected to the battery), contactors, battery with active BMS, and a charger (in most cases these are in the car unlike a ebike but similar concept). that is in essence all you need to make a EV and is the main reason i started doing EV conversions instead of something like engine swaps. EV conversions are arguably easier than just swapping the engine due to their simplicity. For anyone that wants to argue things like the screen, the dash, the cameras, etc… are also there, yes they are. the car can also work just fine without any of that. those are just visualizers of what the car is doing. they hold very little bearing as far as what the car does. prime example of this is with teslas where the computer for the screen and crash and be stuck in a boot loop and yet the car is still drivable.
On that joke side, there was a torrent file for a car to download. It was over 600 terabytes.
I will add to what so many has said. Yes, some sort of A/B partion should be a standard so you can fall back to a working version. BUT, they should almost include a "when all else fails" solution. For the stupid people make it a really big hardware button/lever somewhere. Turn that on and you get a crappy basic OS that turns the wheels and gets to home and/or to a repair centre. They can make it crappy just to keep it simple. But they should really add it as an ultimate failsafe.
And also, with 3d printers being a thing. Pretty sure we can download a car these days 😅
i love that you give sanity a voice
Well it's not possible because they didn't add the functionality. Instead of hiring someone with experience they just moved the old car protocols to the new mach e. The old ones don't have the over the air update feature. They get updated through a dealership so they don't require the firmware rollback or specific memory to download and check if the integrity of the download wasn't effected due to network disruption or anything else.
So when they tried to save cost on the initial plan and afterwards tried to add features just for sales perspective didn't do complete testing just to say in board end meeting we saved this much on R&D it was heading to failure.
Thank you, Louis Rossmann! Changing our culture for the better, one issue at a time
fuck yeah i would download a car
3-1 adhesive lined heatshrink. Discovered that 30 years ago and made it one of my mainstays.
You are bashing Elon a lot so be fair and at least mention Tesla has over the air updates for i think 6-7 years and it's the only car company in the world witch does it.
A car is actually less complicated then a computer with billions of transistors and integration of AI. But a car has likely more parts. So what is complicated, more parts of smaller parts
With T-Mobile, you can literally unlock it from their own app, so long as you don't owe them any money on the device. I've done this on multiple devices over the years, and it's one of the reasons I have remained with T-Mobile as a provider. Not sure why you seem to have had that problem. I will say, however, that they are NOT as good as they were when they first entered the US market, somewhere around 20 years ago.
Thus why I am still reluctant to buy a smart car or anything in which I will be held hostage by the manufacturer software.
The car I have is a full manual with the old school FM radio with little electronic and has been reliable. I would love to switch to electric but they seems to have really bad foundations due to manufacturer greed.
By the way, America gave up on electric cars in the 1890's and in the 1970's, e-bikes were known as mopeds.
You are a mench ❤ who cares for the little people
Ford, and Chevy, stopped being a thing in this country at least 30 years ago, when they had already given-up on selling cars to Americans. Anyone who buys a computer with four wheels, and pays for it at least six times, deserves these kinds of problems. Do not complain about eating a shit sandwich when that is all you asked for. Viva Toyota! More American than Ford or GM were.
All other problems aside, not having the ability to roll back automatically to a known safe install is insane.
Mandatory updates to a device who's primary functionality doesn't require internet service? Absurd, completely absurd. If your car runs, and is currently safe to operate, there is literally no reason to mandate the software to be updated.
About to go full Yugo on the "repair your car" spirit
Hearing Louis say "enshitification" made so damn happy. It is great to see all forces for good coalescing around the same concept
Analog Technology: X connects to Y and it does Z.
Digital Technology: Magic Graham Cracker
"You wouldn't download a car."
3D Printers aren't that good yet, so no.
Your car needs "updates"? LAUGHS IN 1996 FORD CROWN VICTORIA THAT REFUSES TO DIE
Louis i own this model car. there could have been any number of reasons this happened from corrupted memory to failure of the hardware. ford constantly updates the os(including firmware on every online device). i have seen failures before but it retries in 30 days and does not give that error. i am currently on version 6.6 and still am not fully up to date. until i see more than one instance of this error i urge you not to buy into the fud surrounding this post. yes the potential is there as is any pc or any updateable device.
when adding self driving modes software is required on all modules. imagine updating a bios then pulling the power. Anything could cause a power interrupt and could potentially cause this issue. ford anticipates a lot of errors but you cannot prepare for everything. the last backup plan is the dealer.
If you have the talent and money you can license the software updater(fdrs) and try to fix the error yourself. hardware issues are not so easily fixed tho. if you wish to see the updates listing google "ford powerup wiki"
youtube is getting on my last nerve. just because i added a link to the updates ford has issued it deletes my response.
selling all my Tesla and Ford stock, this is enough..
Real. No reason an update of any kind failing should shut you out of operating the product you purchased.
how about this? just stop buying modern vehicles 🙂
I hope Ford have good emergency responders, otherwise this would easily kill people in wintery conditions.
Can we find the modems and pull their sim cards? I would not want OTA updates ever.
Imagine the police won't come after you called 911 when there is a robber in your house….because their police car update failed.
Imagine the ambulance won't come after you called 911 while your dad has a stroke…because their ambulance update failed.
Brave new world. truely.
Recently had a sensor go crazy on one of my cars, a 2006 ford falcon here in Aus (its my oldest but still very nice to drive on the highway). despite the lights complaining on the dash, the car still drove but felt sluggish. Was able to finish my trip then took it to my mechanic. Found out the car was in 'limp mode' I guess a way to keep things going at reduced capacity if something shows as being wrong. a quick error clear from the computer and the car's been fine since. Why isn't there a 'Limp mode' in this new one?