Which Home Assistant install is right for you?
Home Assistant Operating System (HA OS) or Home Assistant Container running on Docker? Which installation method is best for you?
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I have enjoyed and have used your videos. Thank you very much. I too run HA in docker compose, but cannot find how to integrate Frigate with it. Would you put together a video on how you connect the two. All I can find is how to add Frigate with an Integration or Add On which isn’t supported with a container. 🙁
Very nice to have found a fairly concise and technical channel.
The biggest risk in building HA as an integral part of a home is robustness. Particularly pairing to the devices themselves. I would love to hear about strategies for making a HA setup as resilient as possible. E.g. are there ways to back up the zigbee device network itself? Usin wifi, you could assign IP's to mac adresses statically. Are there anything similar for zigbee and HA?
Having multiple containers that need to talk to each other, you would want that configuration backed up too, so e.g. after an update that brakes something, you could rollback everything to last known working state. Do you have solution for that?
Pi5 4gb and nvme 128gb ssd, skyconnect (zha) sonoff dongle-p (z2m) and z-wave, just over 1200 entities and hardly stressing any hardware at all.
Thank you sensei
Hello, Great work
Can I ask which model of intel nuc worked for you or what are the minimum specs for a luxurious setup
thanks again
I have tried them all multiple times and every time i have returned to the one installed in a VM, so finally bought a mini pc for less that $100 and since then never bothered to think about options.
I'm about to jump in into HA but not really sure which installation is the best HA OS or Containers… Maybe I'll choose OS since I don't really know how to maintain the containers but it's a shame because i won't be using the resources of my NUC at a 100 % with HA OS… Good video btw thanks
It really seems too bad that home assistant isn't designed in a way that it can be used reliably with add-ons within a broader operating system that can be set up to do other things. I got that there's some programming difficulties with putting it together like that, but it would seem far more efficient for a lot of users to be really able to have the full convenience of it on an efficiently run device. I think the closest one could do to this would be to virtualize the home assistant operating system, without a lot of hassle an issues. The thing about that though is that that presumably as much more resource intensive than if one could even do the equivalent of what HAOS does with dockers. It would be nice to just have proper packages that would work within a package manager, run natively, and resolve dependencies and such the way that the systems are designed to. I think Home Assistant would see far more used if it could be used that way, and that might be its biggest barrier to adoption. Having to dedicate a computer to it, by expensive hardware, or jump through a lot of hoops just makes it much harder to get going and simply experiment with things.
If it's available as a Docker Container, there is a good chance someone will make it available as a Home Assistant Add-on, so the Home Assistant OS actually doesn't miss out on much. Sure, they may have switched from Pi-Hole to AdGuard Home for adblocking in the official addons, but I've found it in other places as an addon. About the only thing they don't want to see as addons are things like Portainer, since you could conceivably foul up your system with it.
You strike me as the type of guy that can hold a full conversation in assembly language.
Does Home Assistant offer anything that I can't do with a $3000 gaming computer using window 10 pro ?
This is just a HA promotion and not helpful for beginners to install HA 👎
Do I need Wi-Fi or Bluetooth on my computer to install or operate the home assistant?
Fantastic presentation. You are really good at this. The info flow rate perfectly matches my uptake rate. And focusing on precisely what we need to know is so good. Keep it up friend.
Do I need to defrag my bios ? Or just over lock my hdmi ?
How do you manage backups using the container install method ?
I got one for you; Let's put these docker containers in a kubernets cluster. I heard the store Home Assistant store didn't work in kubernetes, probably because its in a container. Do you think you can do that? Also I want to use Frigate. Could that be in the cluster as well..now that would be a super setup. Do you think it's possible?
Waaaay over my head all this
Oh. I wasn't aware that running your own containers inside HAOS isn't actually supported. I'm currently running Home Assistant on Docker with Alpine VM along with other containers (pihole, cloudflare dns) and was thinking of migrating to bare metal HAOS to get the addon support. I no longer want it anymore. Bummer 🙁
sounds good to me, ill start with this series.
Your videos have been so helpful! Thank you! Quick question: I have home assistant running, docker, protainer, and duplicati up and running. Im moving this month and will have a new IP address. Is my only option starting from scratch? TIA
Great video!! Can you please share the link to NUC which you have bought?
9:20 seriously, ugreen products are international now?
That intro was crazy, just 25 seconds of bro talking DIRECTLY to me lol
Thank you a loooot
First time I've ever heard someone sh*t on Python.
Python is a good programming language. I would request you cover those as well.
Interesting video! I'm busy installing HA on my NUC, but can't get the HA landing page accessible on other devices on the same network, so I'm thinking of installing it in Docker or Proxmox. This could also be the moment to move to Ubuntu if I find the right reasons. So my main questions to you: Why Docker and not Proxmox? Why Ubuntu and not Windows 10/11? It would be cool and very helpful to get an answer to those 2 questions.
I honestly think you are way downplaying the benefit of Addons and the benefit of direct integration in the HA UI. I don't necessarily think you should be running Plex and every other service in there, but there are a number of incredibly beneficial add-ons such as ESPHome, Visual Code Server, Terminal, others.
To get the best of both worlds, I run Proxmox on a NUC-like device. I have HAOS running as a VM. This has the benefit that I can take a snapshot of the VM before running upgrades. If the upgrade fails in any way, I can rollback the snapshot and work on the issue at my leisure. I also have a "Proxmox Container" (think of this as a lightweight VM, but I could just be running a VM, too) that runs Alpine Linux (because it's lightweight) where I install other docker containers (always using docker compose). This computer happily runs both HAOS, with its Add-ons (Docker containers) as well as I have my own docker containers, too, where I could run things like PiHole. IMO Proxmox is pretty easy to learn and offers huge benefits to the Home Assistant / home lab user.
I installed Proxmox on my server and then put HAOS on VM; I also run Plex on a separate Ubuntu VM
I run HA in a VM on Unraid and it's been great! Everything else I run in docker.
I have read that it is possible to run HA operating system on windows and still use your pc for other stuff like office and web, this is not what you Say here. Could you please clarify ?