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00:00 Intro
00:56 Sponsor: SquareSpace
01:54 Mozilla
04:33 The Snap Store
05:49 AppImages
09:01 Manjaro
11:05 Source available & open source control
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Mozilla has undeniably been an important influence on FOSS software. One thing that is often leveled against Mozilla is that they allegedly argued for internet censorship. In an infamous post, they said we needed more than de-platforming, as a bunch of people were kicked off popular social media sites for saying things that went against the terms of service.
Mozilla also has some other sticking points, notably their over reliance on Google’s funding, and the fact that their executives are paid quite a lot of money for a non profit that is bleeding users and market share, at least in the browser space.
Another project that you’re probably already aware of, is Snap, Ubuntu’s solution for containerized apps. The main criticism levelled against snaps is its proprietary, centralized store.
Appimages are a relatively popular app distribution format, but all AppImages do rely on libfuse 2, which is deprecated and obsolete, and has been for a long while: its last version was in 2019, meaning it’s been left for 5 years without any security update at all.
Other potential concerns about the AppImage projects are the fact that they’re not sandboxed at all by default. There have also been some pretty harsh comments from one of AppImage’s lead against apps that refuse to invest time to support the AppImage format.
Another project that has seen a fair few criticisms over the years is Manjaro. They’ve been known to package unstable versions of applications that weren’t published as stable. Manjaro also has a pretty bad track record with security, failing to renew their certificates time and again.
Add to that the fact they partnered with a proprietary office suite and shipped it as the default, or the company behind Manjaro dropping their CFO when he refused to approve an expense for a new laptop, or their tool, Pamac, DDoSing the AUR by making too many requests, and you have a few issues that definitely tarnished the distro’s reputation.
Another problematic issue we see more and more often is open source projects switching licenses to restrict what people can do, and open source projects being taken over entirely by certain companies.
A recent example is Red Hat, tacking on some license agreement to get access to the source code of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, meaning that if you redistribute the source code you get access to as a customer, you won’t be able to be a Red hat customer anymore.
Another example is Canonical, taking ownership of the LXD project, a project they had started, then gave to the Linux Containers Project, and then grabbed back again. They also removed maintainers that didn’t work for Canonical but had been contributing to the project for a while.
Yet another example is Redis, moving to a source available license to try and stop giant cloud providers like AWS from making money off of Redis, but also limiting other user’s rights in the process.
Finally, we have Hyprland.What some people have against Hyprland is mostly against the lead developer, not the project itself. He’s been characterized as toxic, and the general community is often perceived as expressing hateful views in the form of what they call jokes. Stuff like endorsement of eugenics, calls for violence, or transphobia. The founder of Hyprland was recently banned from the Free Desktop.org community for this problematic behaviour, which went against the FDO’s code of conduct. Hyprland’s founder then basically doxxed the FDO member who banned him.
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Regardless of devs politics or views it's pretty good WM tbh
Mozilla's stance on censorship of "disinformation" is a deal killer. Disinformation is just a word used to describe opinions or political positions they don't like.
> Makes video about criticized Linux projects/entities
> Doesn't mention systemd
Mozilla is probably more evil than Google
Snap sucks. In more than one ways. The snap daemon sucks, the format sucks, the system sucks for creating so many loop block devices. It's horrible. Don't use it.
The most controversial thing in this video is pronouncing Mozilla as modZila
As someone who uses hyprland on a laptop and does pop into the community from time to time its just taboo to mention social issues. Generally though if you pop in and say "im having x problem and would like some direction on a solution" you will get helped. And I find that is more important than almost anything else.
However, use what you want, theres a million choices for a reason!
RockyLinux — project I would avoid any time, after their ads campain against community distros like openSUSE.
10:56 NO! MANJARO IS WRONG CHOICE
Flatpak is also criticized for having performance issues due to its sandboxing approach. If a program, such as Star Citizen, streams assets for instance, it needs constant write access, AT ALL TIMES, while the program is running, which is something a sandboxed app should never do. This will be the same for any other big program that needs a lot of write access, such as Steam or any of its programs.
I use Ubuntu and I can run appimages out of the box no problem, I don't even think twice about it and never have had any issues with the file type.
I don't remember installing any fancy libraries such as libfuse, so either I'm majorly forgetting something or what you said about appimages is slightly mistaken.
Agree with most of this but I take issue on a few matters. Most importantly, never missing the opportunity to put the boot in to Manjaro. Does anyone else notice the difference between this and the other issues mentioned in this video? Most of the issues mentioned here are corporate abusive of power (eg licencing, unfair staff reunmeration like Mozilla), lack of security and due dliigence (eg App Image) or hateful communities (Hyprland). Now look at the issues leveled at Manjaro: forgot to renew security ceritifcate, AUR being essentially use at your own risk, some buggy code bringing down Arch repo servers one time, and using a few patched unsupported programs. All of these are stupid mistakes, and deserve criticism, but they are both ancient history and forgivable and do not show bad intent; except for perhaps the last one. I don't know how many times, how often, and how recent this patching has occurred–I must learn more about it–but I do know that the other issues DO NOT belong in this video and are popular issues to attack Manjaro on as is a popular thing to do. Hopefully other viewers can realise this.
Snaps are so slow. I installed the snap version of Steam one time. Never again…. Waiting 5 minutes for an application to open is bad.
I just watched Lundrake video about NixOS situation. Will there be video about it? The situation seems crazy to me.
PS. idk who Lundrake is, The video just poped on my yt reccomendations.
05:37 Noone used Launchpad anyway? Uhm, really? Checking my sources.list.d/*.list files tells me a different story.
Excellent journalism, Nick! My my concern is Mozilla, as it acts in accordance with the World Economic Forum by deciding what is disinformation or not. Especially since they rely on Google for financing, we cannot trust them. There is no democracy in a corporate media.
I was hoping to see some coverage on the NixOS situation, and the fall out of founding members due to the recent sponsorship with military defense. Or maybe this is business as usual(?)
1984 reference! I got the book for my birthday last year and I am slowly starting to read it. Very interesting book!
Open Source is basically free real estate. All Open Source must have a free and paid version.
I have known for some time that things have been going backwards for a while. SNAP as a package manager is driving us backwards. Bigger is not better. Some people have forgotten why they switched to Linux or started with Linux to begin with. They are also forgetting that bloat is not a good thing. Being lazy is one thing, but taking my resources because of your laziness is quite another.
"Modzilla"
Hyprland drama is like arguing between kids in kindergarden. Nothing serious to care about.
I'm so glad the Linux Foundation is full of GPL violating companies and spends most of their money on Blockchain and AI instead of the Kernel.
Manjaro was first arch-based distro I tried, and it felt like a nice distro at those times. But I quit it a long time ago. Even then they got some issues. An acquaintance of mine (who is far more experienced with linux) tried Manjaro then… and he really was disappointed.
My problem with Snap is less that the repo is closed source and more that my experience using them has been terrible. I found them a pain, compared to flatpaks before but, worse, when I updated my perfectly stable system to ubuntu 22.04, the "stable" release, it crashed constantly until I de-snapped it. Now it runs without a hitch. Given the success and availability of packages on flatpak, I don't see any reason to ever go back to snaps and it feels that Canonical continuing to push snaps is unnecessarily fragmenting/complicating an area of running linux that can already be a bit bewlindering for a new user.
I like Firefox, but Mitchell Baker is an absolute idiot beyond belief. If I stopped using products from companies and organizations with absolute idiots like her in leadership… I'd have very little if anything to use.
Damn, I really like hyprland. I might try sway or some scrolling window manager.
As far as pronounce and such, brainwashing kids into being trans and making it look like its normal IS harmful. If you want to use them, talk to other people who want to use them. Don't force us to participate and comply or be the bad guys. Inclusive language is synonymous to newspeech from 1984. I guess Ministry of Tolerance is next.
But who cares?
Honestly, I would just ban pronouns, require only account names or project positions to be used, and require the account names to be approved with a ban on "anything self-expressive" at this point. People have been mixing their personal lives into projects so much that any large project will inevitably have internal fueds because of it, and the only good way to stop it is to forcibly seperate free speech from project-related speech. The age of social development of projects just needs to end.
Who/cares
so the Hyprland developer got banned for having his own ideology and not subscribing to the new trends that westerners want to push into every household. what an amazing world we r living in (haha)
I use hyprland because of this
i’m downloading hyprland btw
Hyprland drama is old news, why is it just coming out now on here?
Snap more like crap
Why are you talking about the two years old hyprland drama without mentioning the changes there have been since then ? 😢 There's been a lot of effort to make things better and the discord server DOES have a code of conduct and moderation now.
When you're right you're right!!!!!
I'm a Minecraft player, I do the thing of separate creator of their creation all the time. Someday Hyprland creator became a better person, sway-fx gain traction or Hyprland and their creator part always, only the future will tell.