VSCode & MS Edge problems, Fedora KDE might keep X11, Wine on Wayland: Linux & Open Source News

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• As a developer, I cannot let go of VS Code. Microsoft can steal all the data they want, VS Code makes my job easier and makes me pay my bills. I haven't found any decent replacement for it, and VS Code keeps getting better. The community extensions are amazing. However, you can use VSCodium which is completely opensource, and still supports all the extensions. The only thing missing is account sync, which sadly I need anyway because I code on different computers everyday and sometimes in the same day and the sync is amazing.

• Hrmm, that edge setting doesn't exist on my system, maybe because I'm using 10 pro? And the VS Code EOS was announced some time ago but I also know people don't read so MS maybe could have made it obvious before users updated or something, dunno.

• Everyone’s going immutable. Seems like it’s high time that the nixos cult had new members

• Kind of a noob to Linux… This is a crappy move from MS on VSCode, but what might be some reasons why folks are sticking to Ubuntu 18 and not upgrading to a newer version?

• Too bad Edge pulls stunts like this (though possibly it is a bug), because it is a legit good browser. Fast and full featured and no browser does PWA support better.

• Imagine using a chrome based browser, stupid.

• Not sure how Ubuntu’s commitments to long term support are other software vendors’ problem. Vscode is available as open source, if an upgrade upstream breaks something, it is the distros problem, and responsibility to hold that software at a working version. Shame on canonical for releasing untested software to its lts contract holders

• F*ck Microsoft! This kind of shit is why I ditched it and switched to Linux over a decade ago and encouraged others to do so: Of course they never learn and are slaves to M$ and encouraging M$ to abuse them even more! Had only half of everyone who was complaining back then switched too, M$ would have either had to change their ways, or Windows become a thing of the past, and Linux would be the most used and popular desktop OS by now!

• I'm not sure about Firefox since I haven't used it in awhile but I can say that it was really quite annoying to accidentally drag a tab out of Google Chrome just to have it immediately crash when I tried to drag it back into the window. I would have to copy the URL, close the window, open a new tab in the original window, and paste the URL. It recently (within the last week) started working for me so I'm really glad that this protocol is gonna be a solid foundation for stuff like that.

  For some extra context, I'm running the official Google Chrome package from Google on Fedora KDE with the chrome flag for Wayland over X11 enabled.

• Sucks to learn about VS Code, it's about the only piece of software by microsoft I don't hate. Did VSCodium drop support as well?

• Anyone running a server on a version of Ubuntu that's been EOL for a year deserves all the issues they get. Especially if they're dumb enough to run VSCode on it. Who the fuck is doing that? Idiots.

• Microsoft is not in the wrong here. If people want updated software then use updated OSes. When you stick on a 6 year old OS, some modern software may not be available to you.

• Sorry but Wayland is not ready… no one should be dropping X11. I tried to switch and it made my eyes bleed, they can't even get UI/font scaling right. Had to switch back to X11.

• VS Code is an excellent code editor and it's really no wonder it took over so fast when compared to what we were using before it. I prefer the JetBrains IDEs for anything heavy (Java, C++, anything more than a simple python script, etc…) but vs code is great for scripts or small projects. VS Codium isn't quite the same (the open source version) mainly because it doesn't have all the same extensions such as the one to connect to remote servers via ssh. I am all for VS Code removing older operating systems as how the heck are they going to move the product forward if they keep hanging on to obsolete software. Also, they did tell people in the patch notes last year in August. It's not their fault if people can't read. Also, I hate MS as much as the next person here and will never use Windows but VS Code is a great product and I don't see that they did anything wrong here.

• Open source version of VS Code? . . . CODE WAS THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, and VSCode is a project created from that.

• Thank you.

• Imho gaming on linux still requires more technological knowledge than the usual PC-user has. So gaming on PC will – unfortunately – always be niche. At the same time PC-gaming is loosing out to handheld devices (and possibly consoles). Devices like the steam-deck – portable and vendor managed – are the logical solution if you want to push PC-gaming on linux.

• I am actually really tired of this "but there are OSS alternatives" trope that Linux people keep putting out. It is almost insulting to suggest that the rest of the world is just a moron for forking over their data and money to the proprietary services and software. Here is news to you – there are NO OSS alternatives with feature and convenience parity for VS Code, Adobe Suite, Microsoft Office. Period. None at all…and I know about NeoVim, GIMP, Inkscape and Libreoffice. These have nowhere near the polish of the other pieces of software. You tell me how you can run a Jupyter notebook and a R console simultaneously in NeoVim before telling me to quit VSCode. Then we can discuss further.

• Just statically link binaries. What is the worry? That VS code will be bloated in size? 😂

• While I completely agree that it is super annoying that Microsoft constantly pushes you towards using Windows with a Microsoft account, it is not true that using Windows without a Microsoft account is "super hard". During installation, just enter a valid e-mail address with an arbitrary wrong password and you will be offered to use a local account in the next dialog.

• big part of why linux is slowing down on steam is constant issues with nvidia drivers performing poorly on linux in a lot of games.

• Im on nobara and i hope fedora keeps x11. For me the nvidia drivers just arent there yet to support it. 535 on wayland has screentearing, while 550 has terrible ghosting. I WANT to move to wayland, but nvidia has to fix their shit drivers first!

• Thanks for the news about VS Code. This doesn't just break Ubuntu 18.04. It also breaks RHEL7/CentOS7 hosts. I had to downgrade vs code and prevent dnf from updating it.

• Really surprised the EU isn't going after this MS browser nonsense a lot harder. Especially given their history.

• People can also use vscode flatpak

• Good old rust, nothing beats that

• Microsoft is literally hurting the reputation of their otherwise fine browser. Whoever makes these decisions should be ousted

• Edge and Chrome are built upon the same code base as chromium. It's not a surprise they share the same storage path for caching and browsing history.

• The reason why I will not use VSCode is that it heavily plugs the Code Pilot — which is based on uncredited but copyrighted code. This is (probably) all Open Source code, much of it GPL. So in all reasonableness, all code that has used the Code Pilot should be GPL as well.

• Jeez… with all the improvements over the past year, Linux desktop gaming is still virtually nonexistent. The Steam Deck is propping the numbers up.
  I spent some weeks trying to get Linux configured as my daily driver. It always falls short. I had to boot into Windows to configure a gaming mouse, then realized what's the point of dual booting? Windows does everything I need, without having to cripple myself with limited gaming and hardware support.

• Ubuntu 24.04 is due out in a couple months. Who cares if Microsoft drops support for Ubuntu 18.04? It's nearly a year past its LTS expiration date. Why should Microsoft support an OS that the OS manufacturer doesn't support?

• glibc 2.28 updates seem to be rolling out all over the place as NodeJS also jumped on this.. 2.28 was released (I think) sometime in 2018…?

  So I have a few questions:
  – If there is some big comp. break between versions 2.27 and 2.28, please do tell what versioning scheme is being used here?
  – Where in earth can I find an actual changelog opening the breaking changes between the two?
  – Where can I see an official list of CVEs in glibc versions? (The lists I find are absolutely scary)

• I know why i love my Jetbrains IDEs

• Not announcing they were going to drop support is of course a no-go. However, ubuntu 18.04 reached EOL in April of last year and now only has ESM support; 20.04 was released nearly four years ago at this point, giving a long enough grace period for most cases to upgrade. I think it is generally fair to stop supporting a platform at this point.

• I remember that after an windows update there was a prompt (these blue screens with new settings after reboot) from Edge to sync with other Chromium browsers and do this regularly. I of course declined. Maybe someone did not read what they were accepting? Either way this is not something I want my browser to even suggest

• I 100% agree with the last bit about how the steam deck is one of the few things driving desktop Linux forward. We need more killer apps / products that make people want to give Linux a shot.

• Dropping X11, for me 3d artist, is even worse of what MS did with VS….

• Who needs IBM Redhat, we have Debian 12 Stable.

• Thankfully, the EU will soon demand the option to remove preinstalled browsers, and Microsoft has made a blog post where they explain what they'll do to comply with the digital markets act.

• I suppose that people using Ubuntu 18.04 can still use the snap or flatpak version. Am I right?

  Anyway, great video as always 😊

• 😮Anyone who uses Canonical and Microsoft products deserves it😢

• Have you looked at Mozilla’s „Over the edge“ Report?

  https://research.mozilla.org/files/2024/01/Over-the-Edge-Report-January-2024.pdf

• Hey cut microsoft some slack okay. They are really in need of data, the poor struggling company … so they're desperate to get their grubby hands on as much user data as possible, to feed their sad hungry AI machine.

• Thanks.👍

• still, redhat closing the OS source are the most idiotic move in recent years.

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